To be absolutely fuming about the digital ID thing?

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I work as a nurse in England.

I just feel absolutely fuming about the digital ID proposals and don't know how to channel my anger??

I very strongly object to this. It makes my blood boil when I think about it and I feel anxious knowing that something like this may be imposed on us all.

It is not going to stop illegal immigration. That line is absolute BS. They're doing it for their own selfish reasons.

What do we do? I don't want to not work, but I am going to refuse to have one. So my employer may sack me?!

It's just ridiculous!

Obviously I've signed the petition, emailed my MP, will join any protests etc.

But practically speaking - will my employer actually sack me for not having one?

I’ve done a lot of property renovations

It’s standard for companies to provide two quotes. That is my experience after having a lot of work done.

As I said; this ID scheme isn’t meant to deal with that, I was just highlighting the problem s we have with tax avoidance in this country that’s all.

Of all the things to be furious about this really is unimportant and not a big deal. We are one of the few countries where people don't need to have ID. We will just be catching up.
For me as someone without a passport or driving license I actually think it will make life much easier for times when I have to provide ID evidence. It was a nightmare recently when I had to have ID evidence to open a bank account.

Yes that's the email response I got too! The same response I got after sending a letter to my local mp as my husband was one of the 4 million self employed who got screwed over in covid. It was basically suck it up! The government, regardless of who they are do not give a shiny shit about any of us. To think they are doing this to make our lives easier is laughable.

Actually the lib dems are very opposed to it.

But the id I use doesn't link EVERYTHING together and get me locked out of my account if I don't do something the powers at be approve of.
It's the start of surveillance

Surveillance started a long time ago.

What things might you do that the powers that be disagree with? Genuine question.

At work, I deal with poorer UK citizens many of whom are British people who don’t drive or travel and who require photo ID but cannot afford a passport or driving licence. When elections are on, they can (with support) apply for a Voter Authority Certificate but that can be quite time consuming but, when they get it, they’re thrilled to have a piece of official ID.
Many of these would love a digital ID card to make their lives easier.

It's really very simple: there's a widely held belief that, eventually, this won't just be used for 'ID'; it'll be used to control every aspect of our daily lives.
Want to buy that multipack of Mars bars? Sorry, you've had too many sugary treats this month. Want to fly? Sorry, you don't have enough 'carbon credits'. And so on.
We already all have ID to prove we can legally work in the UK. Those who don't have it, already won't be able to work. So the whole 'this will stop illegal immigration' idea is a nonsense.
No, there are other reasons why digital ID is being introduced, which won't become fully apparent for a while.

I’d expand the DVLA and make this one of their responsibilities. 75% of the country has a drivers license according to a recent census.

You could turn the digital records of each driver’s licence into a digital ID that could act as a digital ID plus digital version of your driver’s license.

Then scan those records for any NI numbers that are being used for more than one license and review those for fraud. Scan for people who still have the old paper license and create a way for them to upload a picture to their Digital ID account - similar to how you can upload passport pics. This then sends you a new physical card.

Minors getting their licences before 18 would be enrolled in the system. 18 year olds who haven’t got a licence would get the digital ID version at 18 with the option of upgrading to the driving license version if they choose to drive later.

New immigrants follow a similar pattern to the 18 year olds.

Then the 25 percent of non drivers get the digital ID version with the option of applying for a physical card version of that if they don’t want to use the app.

Those with existing photo driver licenses can choose to use the app, or pay for a new card which includes a code on the back for the right to work.

At some point it just becomes part of getting your drivers license for most people.

Exactly. It’s just the uneducated jumping on the bandwagon making a fuss about something when they can’t even articulate what bothers them. Yawn…

I don't have much of an issue with it if it is a physical card. But it having to be digital does not sit right with me.
Why does it have to be digital?

Because driving license and passports are a physical card. This is going to be digital.
Ask yourself why it needs to be digital.

I’m sorry but this ^ imo is your classic example of paranoia

Driving licences, passports etc are both digital and analog already.

Of course a digital equivalent exists of these things, as well as all your utilities bills, council tax etc…

it’s not the bleeding matrix yet

Probably because it’s cheaper than having to produce 60 million physical cards, and for the upcoming generations they all have their phones with them at all time and are using it them as digital wallets to pay for things - so it’s the modern equivalent of putting a card in your wallet.

But see my suggestion re drivers licenses - if they tag it on to that they could roll it out and use the existing card production system they have.

OP do you have either a driving licence or a passport? In which case you already pay for photo ID. We let my MIL's lapse as she lives in a home with dementia so can't drive and won't be travelling -which is what those documents are designed for. Not we've had to renew her passport to use as ID as we have come had numerous transactions requiring either a passport or a driving licence. So an ID (digital or hard copy) would be a more honest item and wouldn't (hopefully) be renewing.

It’s really only Starmer pushing this, all the other parties are against. Even some of Labour have spoken up.

Nothing currently but if they take the view that compliance is on what you say/post then that can change on a whim.and suddenly.

For example, I eat red meat fairly regularly, what if that gets capped.

If the digital ID links to an electric car and once you've driven your set number of miles your tracel gets capped?

I plan to home educate my children, I don't want every resource vetted because I should be able to be autonomous.

What if I share an opinion about something that goes against the status quo, I don't currently (but status quo change) and I'm locked out of bank accounts

Etc

Etc.

Freedom and anonymity is important.

I don't like that my data is everywhere from social media etc. I scrub what I can and anonymse what I can too to give myself best chance of having less identifiable data out. Because it is, doesn't mean it should be.

Privacy is important.

Digital IDs are the first step to taking that away in a systemic way, especially when it's all synched up it's dangerous.

None of those things are going to happen anywhere apart from in your mind

Edit to add; you’ll soon have reform running the govt if you’re to trust the polls; and believe me, those concerns are going to be the last of any of our problems.

But you might not have digital ID at least.

If i have to have this i would prefer a physical card. I dont use apps or pay with my phone. I dont bank online

Same.
Why does it have to be digital?

This is our fear too. ID cards would work well in a democratic society, but you only have to look at America and how that is going in their path to, well, a dictatorship to see what could happen here if say Farage got into power. I would hate for him to have access to this sort of information.

Sadly my local MP is blue through and through and the countless times I have contacted him he is always on the opposite side to me so I fear he will be the same with this. I will message him though, just in case

Paranoia, eh? This is very much a reality in China...

Fuck me how ridiculous. For jobs, it’s currently easier for someone with a Share Code to do an IDVT check at the point of contact than a British Citizen. This will even the playing field. Surely that alone should make you less incensed?

@Jumpingthruhoops

China has a communist, information suppressing govt.

We are not China.