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Jews leaving the UK

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Ihatetomatoes · 06/10/2025 10:42

I dont blame them. I would if I were Jewish.

They have been failed by their country, which is the UK. I wish them well and hope the UK can sort its anti semitism problems so it becomes safe for Jewish people again.

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Ketzele · 07/10/2025 14:46

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I think the rules of racism are quite simple, really: you can hold an individual responsible for their own views, but collective guilt is not OK. People can have ethnic/national allegiances without necessarily condoning every action carried out in their name. I am a zionist but I think Netanyahu should be locked up and the settler movement is monstrous. Similarly, some of my favourite people are pro-Pal but if I heard them supporting Hamas or 7th October they would be dead to me.

It is easy to understand why those with families in the region feel so strongly it can obliterate everything else, but people on this thread mostly don't. There really is no excuse for us to insist on goodies and baddies. It is not enough to strike a pose; we are all responsible for combating racism in the UK. it is not acceptable to say 'I will only defend anti zionist Jews' any more than it is to say, 'I will only defend feminist Muslims'.

Oh and BTW, you are quite wrong about Israeli ancestry. Given how much Jews have wandered around over the last two centuries, it is astonishing how consistently DNA testing shows our routes back to the Levant.

Ketzele · 07/10/2025 14:49

fruitbrewhaha · 07/10/2025 07:47

I don’t suppose the links with Tommy Robinson and Isreal are helping. EDL and its campaign of hate against Islam has some very rich backers including Isreal and pro Isreal groups. I see he has been invited to visit.

This hatred is being orchestrated.

Did you also see how the Jewish establishment in the UK has condemned the invite, and Tommy Robinson?

Ayoopkid · 07/10/2025 16:26

wrongthinker · 07/10/2025 14:34

You're not alone in how you see this unfolding. I think Hamas have done a brilliant propaganda job but I suppose people also have to be willing to be propagandised. Personally couldn't watch footage of October 7th terrorists passing girls around to be raped to death and then ringing their mums to be praised and celebrated and conclude that they were in any way doing anything just, noble, or righteous. They dragged the Palestinian innocents into a war and hid behind them. So many people are taken in by their gaslighting and it's partly antisemitism, but also partly sheer ignorance. People on these threads know literally nothing about the history of Israel. They believe that Palestine was a free and happy place that the Jews violently took over and threw everyone out and enslaved and tortured those who stayed. They have no idea that Israel withdrew from Gaza years ago, that Israel has been giving aid to Gaza every day, and even given aid since October 7th (when really you could forgive them for saying no fucking way.) There's no genocide in Gaza, we know this now, but with half the international community having given in to Hamas it definitely feels like "a lie is halfway around the world before the truth has even had breakfast."

I’m new here and I’m shocked rigid by some of these comments. I know one thing though, the truth always comes out. So I’m just going to wait until it does. I’m originally from Yemen and the atrocities I’ve seen would make most people throw up. I left along with most of the Jews many years ago after being ethnically cleansed and I can tell you with my hand on my heart that the Muslim brotherhood know exactly what they’re doing and how to get away with it. They’ve systematically destroyed my country, and so many other previously vibrant societies like Iran, Lebanon, and I’m seeing it unfold now in Turkey. It’s inevitable that it’s going to make its way to Europe and the billions of dollars invested in the regime coming from Qatar has very successfully started its insidious journey into the consciousness of the population here. It always starts with the Jews because they’re the smallest minority - it did in Yemen, and in much of MENA. They use the same techniques that they collaborated with the Nazis on and get the population to turn against this small minority. Once they’re done with the Jews they start on the next. I don’t post on here much as I can see the change quite clearly and I know there’s literally nothing to be done. I think it’s started and it’s probably too late.

Ayoopkid · 07/10/2025 16:29

nomas · 07/10/2025 14:39

That's lovely. And yes, people should reach out. People may disagree but we should all try to retain our humanity.

I must say I admire you. You are clear in your beliefs but you’re balanced and compassionate and give me hope for the future. All the best to you!

nomas · 07/10/2025 17:49

Ayoopkid · 07/10/2025 16:29

I must say I admire you. You are clear in your beliefs but you’re balanced and compassionate and give me hope for the future. All the best to you!

Thank you Ayoop. All the best to you too! ❤

CleverButScatty · 07/10/2025 22:25

Horsehow · 06/10/2025 11:48

The marches are nothing more than a cheap excuse to be antisemitic in public. No wonder Jews feel scared here. I’m disgusted at the actions of the Israeli government but equally disgusted with the actions of the marchers.

What a ridiculous comment. You don't think people could genuinely feel outrage and empathy at the suffering of the Palestinian people, printing them to protest.
Is that really beyond your comprehension? That it is that atrocities being commited not the religion/ethnicity of the perpetrators that moves people.

This is such a twisted viewpoint.

CleverButScatty · 07/10/2025 22:28

Jujujudo · 07/10/2025 12:03

Tropes lies and propaganda. In other words utter crap. You are repeating propaganda. Brainwashed. I’d call you innocent but you can’t convince someone of false truths unless they’re already willing to believe them. Boy are you lot in for a shock when the actual truth comes out!

What makes you think that you are the omniscient knowledge holder of what is true.
No brain washing is involved. It's a bloody genocide which is being live streamed.

Jujujudo · 09/10/2025 08:40

CleverButScatty · 07/10/2025 22:28

What makes you think that you are the omniscient knowledge holder of what is true.
No brain washing is involved. It's a bloody genocide which is being live streamed.

Yes I know the means of propaganda that are being used. Funny how in a genocide they have internet and phones and supermarkets and hair salons and humanitarian passages and warnings and oh, they could stop it all if they could just return the hostages and surrender. Haha genocide my little Jewish ass.

EasyTouch · 09/10/2025 12:32

IPM · 06/10/2025 12:08

As if they're going to feel safer if they get caught up in missile strikes.

You don't think they're just making some sort of point and they were going back to Israel anyway by some chance, do you?

Safety in numbers and all that. Similar to why many UK Black people choose to live , bundle and pile in the not best of areas in cities, with little bang for buck, but are easily visually and culturally reflected.

Rather than take the uncertain step of moving to nicer, cheaper, better educational facilities , WHITER areas of the country that if not racist, take an adjustment to that many are not prepared to make, even if the rewards pertaining to health would be better in the long run.
Same reason why Stephen Lawrence was buried in Jamaica for decades, despite the mass of socio economic problems that still exist there.
But being killed for being Black and " being in the wrong place " while Black would not have killed him there.

Who are you to choose the poison that somebody should drink?

Or describe it as poison as opposed to tincture?

Ihatetomatoes · 09/10/2025 13:09

Ayoopkid · 07/10/2025 16:26

I’m new here and I’m shocked rigid by some of these comments. I know one thing though, the truth always comes out. So I’m just going to wait until it does. I’m originally from Yemen and the atrocities I’ve seen would make most people throw up. I left along with most of the Jews many years ago after being ethnically cleansed and I can tell you with my hand on my heart that the Muslim brotherhood know exactly what they’re doing and how to get away with it. They’ve systematically destroyed my country, and so many other previously vibrant societies like Iran, Lebanon, and I’m seeing it unfold now in Turkey. It’s inevitable that it’s going to make its way to Europe and the billions of dollars invested in the regime coming from Qatar has very successfully started its insidious journey into the consciousness of the population here. It always starts with the Jews because they’re the smallest minority - it did in Yemen, and in much of MENA. They use the same techniques that they collaborated with the Nazis on and get the population to turn against this small minority. Once they’re done with the Jews they start on the next. I don’t post on here much as I can see the change quite clearly and I know there’s literally nothing to be done. I think it’s started and it’s probably too late.

Yes, the extremists are already here and walking amongst us. Thousands on the counter terrorism watch list and thousands of others under the radar stoking hatred on the marches, online posting misinformation that is lapped up by many westerners too dumb to look at the history and how they are being used. When they are ready it will be too late to counter. The expansion of the caliphate to the extremists desires is the wish. We will sleepwalk into it.

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Ketzele · 09/10/2025 14:01

Another news report today of the trial of two men with a stash of guns who were planning a massive attack on Jews in Manchester. This was totally unconnected to last week's incident.

Ketzele · 09/10/2025 14:05

Ive tried to add a link and failed. It's on the BBC website.

Poetnojo · 09/10/2025 15:11

Ketzele · 09/10/2025 14:01

Another news report today of the trial of two men with a stash of guns who were planning a massive attack on Jews in Manchester. This was totally unconnected to last week's incident.

Totally unconnected? There is one common denominator though isn't there?

Ayoopkid · 09/10/2025 15:45

Ihatetomatoes · 09/10/2025 13:09

Yes, the extremists are already here and walking amongst us. Thousands on the counter terrorism watch list and thousands of others under the radar stoking hatred on the marches, online posting misinformation that is lapped up by many westerners too dumb to look at the history and how they are being used. When they are ready it will be too late to counter. The expansion of the caliphate to the extremists desires is the wish. We will sleepwalk into it.

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I actually think that westerners don’t understand the mindset. They presume that everyone thinks like them and has the same set of values. They are easier to manipulate as Hamas has shown. And the west also has a deep racist mentality despite proclaiming otherwise. They have no idea how naive they are unfortunately, because the infiltrators don’t care about them at all. First they came for the Jews…..

Ihatetomatoes · 09/10/2025 22:10

EllaDisenchanted · 09/10/2025 14:43

There are a lot out there. Some fuelled and encouraged by the ridiculous chants on the marches to globalise the intifada, stupid people calling for action here. When its globalised blood will be on the hands of marches for encouragement of action.

There's a chance for peace but these stupid marches will no doubt be out on Saturday as usual calling to globalise the intifada. I believe they actually want war and terrorism, feels like its their raison detra... need to keep marching and keep hate alive.

If they march Saturday and call for globalisation of the intifada then it proves the point, just hateful antisemites, as suspected

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sunflower1022 · 09/10/2025 22:28

Ketzele · 09/10/2025 14:01

Another news report today of the trial of two men with a stash of guns who were planning a massive attack on Jews in Manchester. This was totally unconnected to last week's incident.

Just horrific.

And still people minimise and deny.

Ihatetomatoes · 10/10/2025 08:09

sunflower1022 · 09/10/2025 22:28

Just horrific.

And still people minimise and deny.

They caught these men, sadly, there are lots like this.

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sunflower1022 · 10/10/2025 15:34

Ihatetomatoes · 10/10/2025 08:09

They caught these men, sadly, there are lots like this.

And idiots wonder why Jewish people feel unsafe.

HerNeighbourTotoro · 10/10/2025 17:39

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Ihatetomatoes · 10/10/2025 23:18

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I'm not dumb so no need to.look.at myself, I know thousands are on the counter terrorism watchlist, do you? Many don't. Are you one of the ones that know thousands are on the watch list or one of the ones that don't....simple question.

"Since March 2017, MI5 and the police have together disrupted 43 late-stage attack plots."

"Since January 2022, with police partners, we have responded to twenty Iran-backed plots presenting potentially lethal threats to British citizens and UK residents."

"In 2023, 80% of the Counter Terrorism Police network’s live investigations were Islamist while 10% were extreme Right-Wing"

"In 2020, the Home Office said there were over 40,000 people where MI5 judged there was some risk of them re-engaging in terrorist activity." That was 2020 and it has increased since then....

Those people walk amongst us.

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