Jews leaving the UK

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I dont blame them. I would if I were Jewish.

They have been failed by their country, which is the UK. I wish them well and hope the UK can sort its anti semitism problems so it becomes safe for Jewish people again.

Well said.

Its going to fall on deaf ears though.

Lovely to wake up to the antisemites posting this morning.
How fucking dare you speak like that?

Wow. Just wow.

So you dont agree with attacks on anyone ever? Do you think the IDF should be attacking Hamas?

"But if you support Israel, be it a Jew or Christian, then you should understand that people are generally not going to like you very much.

i believe you’re referring to people spelling Israel as Isreal which is not a misspelling but is it a deliberate play on words. ‘Is real?’ Ie Israel is not a real country but an occupying army. Same as ‘Israhell’ Israel = hell"

Pure and unadulterated.

The British general public have a dislike for the marchers but because they are noisy & righteous they are unable/unwilling to hear anything other than their own echo chamber!
After the events of last week & the anniversary today of the massacre it us time for peace & calm & respect on our streets.

Well, that is really the point isn’t it? The IDF are not attacking Hamas, they are attacking civilians and targeting infrastructure. That is why Israel’s attacks in Gaza are, legally, war crimes and a genocide.

The British general public have a dislike for the marchers but because they are noisy & righteous they are unable/unwilling to hear anything other than their own echo chamber!
After the events of last week & the anniversary today of the massacre it us time for peace & calm & respect on our streets.

You think the IDF aren't attacking Hamas?

Can you even hear yourself?

And on 7 October of all days. Saying Hamas doesn't deserve to be attacked.

Saying anyone who supports Israel deserves to be disliked.

Please think about the things youre saying and consider being quiet for a bit.

Wow. Genuinely had no idea people misspelled another country on purpose. How insanely stupid that looks.

I really have no idea why people think Jewish people 'here' somehow have responsibility for another country 'there'. I also wouldn't attack Americans because I abhor their current government. It's such a weird extension - I am no more responsible for Netanyahu than I am for Putin.

And I will keep saying - the stated intentions of these protests are very different from the actual impact and you all need to take your portion of the blame for that. You are creating this experience in 'this' country, it's not actually affecting people living in other parts in the world.

It isn’t about what I think, it is the UN and the ICC? Did I say Hamas doesn’t deserve to be attacked? Or did I say that Israel is targeting civilians and infrastructure in Gaza, as decided by independent, international bodies?

I’m so sorry. I desperately hope things improve.

Disgusting comment. You know that two men died, right? Would that have happened if the terrorist hadn’t attacked? Both deaths are on him.

No. The attitude of people like you is the reason Jewish people no longer feel safe or welcome. We are not discussing the UN or the ICC and you full well know no legally binding convictions have taken place.

Do you think the IDF should be attacking Hamas or not?

And you also said people who support Israel should be disliked.

You're making yourself absolutely crystal clear.

btw. Most of my friends would certainly take the more sympathetic to Palestinian angle in this conflict. They all know my views on it. Not a single one of them dislikes me for it. I really think you need to take a good long hard look at how extreme and unpleasant your views are.

I think you have that wrong tbh. I think most of the public support the marchers’ protests against the ongoing genocide happening in Gaza.

It’s interesting to me that the Jewish contributors on MN appear to link the atrocious attack that happened at the synagogue in Manchester last week with the protests against the Gaza genocide, as they were asking that the (timing of, at least) the protests be suspended/cancelled etc out of respect and common decency.
But then on the other hand seem to suggest that the anti-semitism being seen and felt by the UK Jewish community is not to do with the Israeli government actions in Gaza, but comes from a simple hatred of Jews.

I’m struggling with this juxtaposition.

Most (self identifying) Jews on MN appear to support Israel’s actions in Gaza, for their own reasons I’m sure. And most other people are against what Israel is inflicting and continues to inflict 2 years post-the October 7th attack by Hamas. This is a problem for UK Jews.

I wonder if the arson attack on the mosque in Sussex had anything to do with the synagogue attack in Manchester? Are all of these issues linked and conflated, and are people refusing to see the wood for the trees?

The difference between the genocide in Palestine and others is that the Palistinians simply cannot leave.

My views are extreme and unpleasant but yours are perfectly acceptable and should be respected? My views are that killing innocent people is wrong, yours is that killing innocent people is justified?

@Swiftie1878 I wish people would stop saying 'the Jews' as if we are some sort of hive mind.

For clarity 'I' think Netanyahu is a monster while simultaneously being a Zionist.

'I' think that the attack in Manchester was absolutely due to the tone and fringe elements of these endless, pointless protests. Not because of the war in Gaza. But because the protests are encouraging the people who hate Jewish people to feel emboldened and is creating an atmosphere of hate. I think it is a mistake to connect the two... but I also think the reality is that it is happening.

'I' do not think I have any personal responsibility for the actions of a foreign government but I also know that I am blamed for it by people like you. The confusion is on your end, not mine.

The British government isn’t struggling with that juxtaposition. Keir Starmer, Shabana Mahmood, a whole host of politicians seem to have grasped it. Did you read Starmer’s article in the Times yesterday? So if you are struggling with it, that’s on you I’m afraid.
It’s not a complicated concept that hate filled shouts on the streets of Britain fuels anti-Semitism resulting in the deaths of people here.
And in case that’s not clear enough: there is a deep well of anti semitism here. Anti semitism has always lurked beneath the surface. The Gaza protests have unleashed it. They have made it palatable and acceptable to shout hatred. That is why the government are now freaking out about it because they know that. That is why British Jews are now scared.
for what it’s worth. If I were in Israel I would 100% be joining protests against the war. But never in a million years would I stand shoulder to shoulder with some of those protesting here because they are using these marches as a vehicle to disseminate hatred, not calls for peace. As I’m afraid a lot of the rhetoric on here shows.

“I think you have that wrong tbh. I think most of the public support the marchers’ protests against the ongoing genocide happening in Gaza.”

No they really do not anymore. That ship has sailed. You have been heard. End of.

The IDF are not attacking Hamas? Where did you get that from?

I have no idea why you are attacking me for simply joining the discussion. I know you are feeling a lot of heat right now, but lashing out at people trying to engage with you is very unhelpful.

Who has been directly and negatively affected by my views?

Who has been directly and negatively affected by yours?

You haven't answered a single question I've posed.

You make strawman arguments such as suggesting I justify killing innocent people.

You believe people who support Israel deserve to be disliked.

You cant admit the IDF are going after Hamas on the 2 year anniversary of the worst pogrom against Israel in modern times. You cant even admit that Hamas deserve to be attacked.

I'm literally just saying your own words back to you in the hope youll take a step back and really think about what youre saying.

Can you do that?

The support to stop the genocide will continue because it is unacceptable.
Netanyahu is continuing this horrific regime to hide from his own criminal past.

He has no interests of the citizens of Israel at heart. He only has his own interests.

Firstly, the right to protest I support as a notion and you can go on a march and be heard or go on online forums. But when it is repetitive and incites hate towards a minority and costs us as tax payers thousands and thousands and means real criminals get off - no, I do not support it. And I believe the British public generally agrees with me.

We can believe Hamas are terrorists who have hidden in tunnels deliberately and are using innocent civilians as human shields and can believe Hamas needs to go. We can also believe that Israel has a right wing Government that also needs changing and we can also believe that innocent children should not be dying and that all the countries locally to Israel should be supporting the Palestinians innocent civilians caught up in these atrocities. We can then separate that Jewish people here need protecting from haters who are too dumb to see the differences and we can also be middle ground and still believe that a democracy necessitates the right to protest. But we can simultaneously believe that repetitive protesters can be agitators and get a file on them. And you may not be so lucky with future Governments. There is a line even in a democracy. And I support a Government enforcing a reasonable line. If you start listening to what they have been hinting at in the last few days, you will hear the line.

You are not saying my own words back to me, you are creating overly emotive questions based on facts I have shared in my post to create the impression that I am being extreme, unreasonable and, of course, anti semitic. As I said - independent bodies made up of highly educated and experienced individuals with direct access and knowledge of the situation in Gaza have decided that Israel is committing war crimes and committing a genocide. Many countries have agreed. We all have access to information regarding Israeli actions in Gaza. That is why the general public opinion in Britain and Europe and the rest of the world is against Israel. It is rather delusional to expect to be liked if you, having access to the same information as everybody else, decide your support lies with those committing said war crimes and genocide and not the innocent victims of this. And to answer one of your silly, emotive questions - who has been directly and negatively affected by your views is the Palestinian people as the reason that Israel has been able to continue this for 2 years is because of people with the same views as yours claiming there is some justification and honourability in Israel’s actions and anyone who dares to stand against them is anti semitic. The continued lies, gaslighting, manipulation of the public by Israel and its supporters have much further reaching and long lasting negative consequences for Palestinian people and stability of the wider region and indeed the world than my view that Palestinians deserve to not have their children murdered or maimed, have their hospitals, schools, homes destroyed and all the other unimaginable evils that Israel is purposely inflicting on innocent civilians. Can you take a step back and think about what it is that you’re really supporting and which one of us is the one with extreme and unpleasant views?

Honestly I don't think I was. I was very confused by your post and responded. I have no idea why you think almost anything in your post but would never want to make it a personal attack so I'm sorry if it came across like that. It's a horrible day and a terrible time and I'm exhausted.