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Jews leaving the UK

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Ihatetomatoes · 06/10/2025 10:42

I dont blame them. I would if I were Jewish.

They have been failed by their country, which is the UK. I wish them well and hope the UK can sort its anti semitism problems so it becomes safe for Jewish people again.

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PevenseygirlQQ · 06/10/2025 21:50

Poetnojo · 06/10/2025 21:45

Voted for and or support them yeah.

Voted for and currently support are very different. I imagine some people voted for Netanyahu/Trump/Putin/Macron/Jedward from the Xfactor (you get my drift) but don’t support them anymore.

Janesmom · 06/10/2025 21:51

As someone who’s Jewish grandparents fled the holocaust (and many of whom’s relatives weren’t so fortunate) I abhor the idea of anyone being made to feel unsafe, or worse still being at risk, solely based on their religion or ethnicity.

However, for exactly the same reasons, I am utterly appalled by the genocide currently being executed by the Israeli government in Gaza.

These aren’t two opposing or incompatible beliefs - I would find it hard not to hold one without the other.

inamarina · 06/10/2025 21:51

JHound · 06/10/2025 21:46

If they were frequent would you want them banned?

If they were full of people chanting hostile slogans and intimidating minorities I would want them at least limited, sure.

Poetnojo · 06/10/2025 21:53

PevenseygirlQQ · 06/10/2025 21:50

Voted for and currently support are very different. I imagine some people voted for Netanyahu/Trump/Putin/Macron/Jedward from the Xfactor (you get my drift) but don’t support them anymore.

Yes, that's why I said in my original post that I was quoted on that I have UTTER DISTAIN for anyone who voted for or SUPPORTS Hamas

peepsypops · 06/10/2025 21:54

legrandcolbert · 06/10/2025 20:43

If Hamas don't care about the life of Gazans, why should I?

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HappyGolmore2 · 06/10/2025 21:57

inamarina · 06/10/2025 18:04

Do people move to Dubai because they don’t feel safe in the UK?

Apparently. Also, sunshine, grass is greener blah blah

Jujujudo · 06/10/2025 21:58

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PevenseygirlQQ · 06/10/2025 21:59

Poetnojo · 06/10/2025 21:53

Yes, that's why I said in my original post that I was quoted on that I have UTTER DISTAIN for anyone who voted for or SUPPORTS Hamas

But they may have voted for Hamas in good faith and now obviously regretted, they haven’t had a chance to vote them out like we do in the UK, you can be mad at the decision they made but unless they still support Hamas there’s no reason to hate them. But alas we are going around in circles and its to late for you to KEEP TYPING IN CAPITALS AT ME GOODNIGHT, GODBLESS

NewGirlInTown · 06/10/2025 21:59

Araminta1003 · 06/10/2025 12:26

Well why aren’t the 2 billion Muslims worldwide doing more for the Palestinians? Including all the surrounding countries, some of whom are actually really rich? Why are they not taking in their own? Rather than funding hate campaigns in the West?

Quite so.

The Arab/Muslim nations surrounding Palestine have the highest fences in the world on their borders.
They want nothing to do with them, because Hamas/Radical Islam.
Israel is fighting a war. This war will set the template for the West. Christians will be next/ are already being slaughtered in their thousands in Nigeria and other African nations by Islamists.

Not much protesting going on for them.

Jujujudo · 06/10/2025 22:00

Fuzzywoo · 06/10/2025 20:16

Good for you for embracing your Jewish heritage and identity.

However, why does that mean accepting the actions of a man like Nethanyahu?

Why does the government of Israel taking on Hamas justify the killing thousands and thousands of women and children? Laying waste to Gaza and making it inhospitable to life?

You can be a proud Jewish person without it meaning you have to support the actions of a far, far right Israeli government because Israel is your spiritual home. A government that has in trying to find retribution against the horrendous actions Hamas have perpetrated even worse heinous actions against Gazan civilians on a scale that people thought would never be possible in this day by a supposedly civilised, western leaning and western backed country. To add salt in the horrendous wound, there is not a sanction in sight for the country. Sanctions that would have been raised immediately on any other country for the many documented, proven genocidal acts against civilians in Gaza.

Be a proud Jew and be happy you have a spiritual home in Israel.

But remember your humanity. Support Israel, but not the current genocidal Israeli government.

Perhaps all UK Jews should take a political purity test to see which one of us is deemed acceptable and which ones can be vilified.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 06/10/2025 22:04

I was listening to a Jewish family talking on the radio yesterday saying they were thinking of leaving the U.K. but knew so many countries that used to be safe are no longer safe. I think they too were thinking Israel would probably be the only place they might reasonably relocate to.

User1928 · 06/10/2025 22:07

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Tell me, do you decide who are the “innocent Jews”? And what are your criteria? God help us all.

inamarina · 06/10/2025 22:12

PevenseygirlQQ · 06/10/2025 21:50

Voted for and currently support are very different. I imagine some people voted for Netanyahu/Trump/Putin/Macron/Jedward from the Xfactor (you get my drift) but don’t support them anymore.

In their founding charter Hamas called for the destruction of Israel. The people who voted for them 20 years ago must have known that.
Not sure you can compare the proclaimed aim to destroy your neighbouring country with Trump or Macron.

Ablondiebutagoody · 06/10/2025 22:30

StrongLikeMamma · 06/10/2025 18:14

Ffs Keir Starmer’s wife and children are Jewish!

The Labour Party is a bit bigger than Starmer's immediate family.

Poetnojo · 06/10/2025 22:31

PevenseygirlQQ · 06/10/2025 21:59

But they may have voted for Hamas in good faith and now obviously regretted, they haven’t had a chance to vote them out like we do in the UK, you can be mad at the decision they made but unless they still support Hamas there’s no reason to hate them. But alas we are going around in circles and its to late for you to KEEP TYPING IN CAPITALS AT ME GOODNIGHT, GODBLESS

The caps are for clarity because people were missing the bit about SUPPORTING Hamas. As someone else just said, they were voted in knowing full well their agenda against Israel, the Palestinians wanted that. Plus the fact that there is still overwhelming support for Hamas currently in Palestine. "People deserve the government they vote for" as the saying goes.

Followthattaxi · 06/10/2025 22:35

PevenseygirlQQ · 06/10/2025 21:59

But they may have voted for Hamas in good faith and now obviously regretted, they haven’t had a chance to vote them out like we do in the UK, you can be mad at the decision they made but unless they still support Hamas there’s no reason to hate them. But alas we are going around in circles and its to late for you to KEEP TYPING IN CAPITALS AT ME GOODNIGHT, GODBLESS

Hardly in good faith when Hamas have always stated their main aim was to wipe Israel and then all Jews off the face of the planet. That's what people voted for.

Similarly the people on the marches who shout about globalising the intifada got what they wanted last Thursday when 2 men were murdered for simply being Jewish.

User1928 · 06/10/2025 22:36

PevenseygirlQQ · 06/10/2025 21:59

But they may have voted for Hamas in good faith and now obviously regretted, they haven’t had a chance to vote them out like we do in the UK, you can be mad at the decision they made but unless they still support Hamas there’s no reason to hate them. But alas we are going around in circles and its to late for you to KEEP TYPING IN CAPITALS AT ME GOODNIGHT, GODBLESS

From the Guardian 18 years ago. Read it. Hamas weren’t offering sunshine and fairies then. It is a deeply deeply complex situation, it was complex then, it is complex now. Hamas are and have always been a terrorist group and I agree there was little hope for Gazans once they were voted in, not least the prospect of getting them out. But at least please have a little humility and recognise the limitations of what you know.

www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jun/15/israel4

Ihatetomatoes · 06/10/2025 22:37

CopperWhite · 06/10/2025 20:11

Your view is warped. Let me help.

After the end of WW2, the state of Israel was created on a significant portion of the land that had been commonly known for centuries as Palestine. To create Isreal, thousands of people were killed and buried in mass graves, or driven from their homes into the portion of land that the UN said that Palestinian people were entitled to. Arab nations fought back against this western colonialism but Isreal continued to take more of the land that had been left to Palestinians and created an apartheid state where Palestinians were treated as less than second class citizens. As the Israeli government continued to restrict the rights of Palestinians, their access to food, water, medicin and the rest of the world, all the time backed by British and American money, an oppressed population has fought back with a few largely ineffectual rockets. It isn’t fair fight where both sides have a valid chance of winning.

This contributes to the many reasons why people march.

Moving to Isreal directly contributes to the ongoing colonisation of the West Bank. I find it terrifying that people are ok with announcing they are willing to set up home on land that has just been brutally stolen from people who are now living refugee camps a few miles away.

🙄😂

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PevenseygirlQQ · 06/10/2025 22:37

inamarina · 06/10/2025 22:12

In their founding charter Hamas called for the destruction of Israel. The people who voted for them 20 years ago must have known that.
Not sure you can compare the proclaimed aim to destroy your neighbouring country with Trump or Macron.

Apologies, I thought they said that in 1988, I believe they “toned it down” for the 2006 elections - change and reform and all that so Palestinians may have thought there was a change to be had. I can’t say I have full knowledge of the time they were elected as I was a teenager and probably was more interested in Justin Timberlake at the time! Edit to say also in response to @User1928

User1928 · 06/10/2025 22:42

PevenseygirlQQ · 06/10/2025 22:37

Apologies, I thought they said that in 1988, I believe they “toned it down” for the 2006 elections - change and reform and all that so Palestinians may have thought there was a change to be had. I can’t say I have full knowledge of the time they were elected as I was a teenager and probably was more interested in Justin Timberlake at the time! Edit to say also in response to @User1928

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Then read about it. Properly read. Not fact sheets from weird institutions and someone’s ten points on TikTok. Honestly. If you are going to talk about it then please please make sure you know what you are talking about.

Timeforabitofpeace · 06/10/2025 22:43

Well said @CopperWhite. I was in Israel in the late 70s and it was pretty obvious to an outsider even then.

PevenseygirlQQ · 06/10/2025 22:45

User1928 · 06/10/2025 22:42

Then read about it. Properly read. Not fact sheets from weird institutions and someone’s ten points on TikTok. Honestly. If you are going to talk about it then please please make sure you know what you are talking about.

I wasn’t claiming to know about it I was giving my opinion on why I wouldn’t hate someone for who they voted for and since regret it. I admitted what I didn’t know and apologised? But yes I will read it thank you. I didn’t condone Hamas or their supporters. I do however feel sorry for the younger generation of Palestinians who didn’t vote for this.

inamarina · 06/10/2025 22:45

HappyGolmore2 · 06/10/2025 21:57

Apparently. Also, sunshine, grass is greener blah blah

Apparently? Never heard of anyone moving to Dubai for safety reasons.

User1928 · 06/10/2025 22:47

PevenseygirlQQ · 06/10/2025 22:45

I wasn’t claiming to know about it I was giving my opinion on why I wouldn’t hate someone for who they voted for and since regret it. I admitted what I didn’t know and apologised? But yes I will read it thank you. I didn’t condone Hamas or their supporters. I do however feel sorry for the younger generation of Palestinians who didn’t vote for this.

Thank you

JHound · 06/10/2025 22:55

NewGirlInTown · 06/10/2025 21:59

Quite so.

The Arab/Muslim nations surrounding Palestine have the highest fences in the world on their borders.
They want nothing to do with them, because Hamas/Radical Islam.
Israel is fighting a war. This war will set the template for the West. Christians will be next/ are already being slaughtered in their thousands in Nigeria and other African nations by Islamists.

Not much protesting going on for them.

Whatabout

Whatabout

Whataboutism.

Do you actually give a fuck about Christians in Nigeria and other African nations or just find it a convenient way of attempting to shut down discussion on the situation in Palestine?

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