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Please continue to protest!

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Icreatedausernameyippee · 03/10/2025 23:46

In the wake of the tragic events that took place in Manchester, I want to implore people not to lose steam or, more importantly, hope.

Gaza is still facing destruction, famine and genocide.

We need to continue to peacefully pressure our government to take action and sanction the Israeli government and to educate and inform people about the horrors faced by the Palestinian people day in and day out for the last two years.

People who opposed the liberation of Palestine want for this to be a turning point. For people to point the finger at a movement that wants to see the end of the suffering of millions and label it as inciting hate.

It's not.
And it's important.

Please don't put down your passion for Gaza.

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BeNattyKoala · 04/10/2025 12:46

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What's deluded about it, you think a state run literally by Hamas operating as the "government" is a state of utopian equality with human rights and decency?

DomPom47 · 04/10/2025 12:46

BeNattyKoala · 04/10/2025 12:39

Last time I checked in the modern era, Americans weren't raping or murdering native Americans - infact they are living peacefully in the west of the USA in numerous areas so your attempt to draw parallels between the two fails.

I think you are dodging my actual point — you’re focusing narrowly on current violence rather than the principle of historic justification that you I am highlighting. The fact that Native Americans or aborigines aren’t trying to reclaim land by force today doesn’t erase how unjust their dispossession was. That’s exactly why comparing it matters — it shows how dangerous it is when people use history to excuse present-day oppression.

DrPrunesqualer · 04/10/2025 12:48

StarlightRobot · 04/10/2025 12:42

It is in appalling taste to protest today and shows an overwhelming lack of sensitivity towards Jewish people in the UK. The conclusion I draw for this lack of empathy is that the protestors are antisemitic. They can show me otherwise by respecting the PM’s words today and putting their protest on hold, in solidarity for the many Jewish people living in fear in the UK.

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No one respects Starmer over his lack of action on the Gaza conflict

He’s supported Netanyahu all the way and has the blood of Palestinians on his hands.

He and other MPs are making matters worse in this country.

Why would anyone take a blind bit of notice of him now.

NototerrorismIntheUK · 04/10/2025 12:48

DrPrunesqualer · 04/10/2025 12:42

In this country we have a right to protest and a right to Freedom of Speech

Its also useful to know when to cause, reflect and miss just one day. The police gave enough to do without the marchers creating more work.

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 04/10/2025 12:48

DrPrunesqualer · 04/10/2025 12:42

In this country we have a right to protest and a right to Freedom of Speech

Freedom of speech vs hate speech at protests is largely determined by what the police decide on the day.

These protest have crossed the line into open antisemitism which is illegal.

As a Brit I am more concerned about British citizens being afraid to leave their homes on the weekend, than I am about a religious conflict in the Middle East that has nothing to do with us.

HaimishaPickle · 04/10/2025 12:49

DomPom47 · 04/10/2025 12:33

The argument you’re making actually supports the exact point you’re criticising. If ancient historical claims to land justify modern ownership, then by that logic Native Americans and Aboriginal Australians would also have the right to reclaim their lands and displace current populations - we know that is not going to happen and anyone who suggests it will be told they’re mad.

The history of the Middle East — like the histories of colonisation everywhere — is full of violence and suffering on all sides. Pointing fingers across centuries doesn’t help the people who are suffering right now. We can recognise Israel’s right to exist while also caring about the rights and dignity of Palestinians. Both truths can coexist.

Why can’t the Israeli government who are so certain of their moral superiority not allowing journalists in?

There are Land Back movements in both Australia and the US. Interesting that you think the reclamation and custodianship of sacred and traditional land for those with ancestral and indigenous claims to the area would be considered mad and not going to happen when in some cases it already has.

Closetangel · 04/10/2025 12:50

BeNattyKoala · 04/10/2025 12:46

What's deluded about it, you think a state run literally by Hamas operating as the "government" is a state of utopian equality with human rights and decency?

And what about the arpartied , racist "state" of Isreal, occupying land that was never theirs to begin with? Breathing international law time and time again, killing children, killing humans attempting to get food and water ?
Bore off!

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 04/10/2025 12:50

DomPom47 · 04/10/2025 12:41

Yes free from Hamas and free from an apartheid state.

Surely you can do a little research and see that Israel was occupying and abusing Palestinians long before Hamas even existed. Palestinians were expelled from their homes in 1948, lived under military rule inside Israel until 1966, and have been under Israeli occupation since 1967 — facing land seizures, checkpoints, and home demolitions for decades. Hamas was born in 1987, as a reaction to that ongoing oppression, not the cause of it.

Jews were first expelled from their homes 2,500 years ago, the continued to be expelled from their homes throughout history, most recently to the gas chambers. Most people understand that the only way to protect Jews from repeated exile and persecution was to ensure they had their own state. It made perfect sense - at a time when Europe was being rejigged after the war to return Jews to their homeland.

Do you see people in the south of Cyprus rampaging over the border raping, torturing and killing thousands in response to the Turkish invasion of Cyprus when many lost their homes? No, because they are not blood thirsty terrorists.

BeNattyKoala · 04/10/2025 12:50

DomPom47 · 04/10/2025 12:46

I think you are dodging my actual point — you’re focusing narrowly on current violence rather than the principle of historic justification that you I am highlighting. The fact that Native Americans or aborigines aren’t trying to reclaim land by force today doesn’t erase how unjust their dispossession was. That’s exactly why comparing it matters — it shows how dangerous it is when people use history to excuse present-day oppression.

I'm not dodging anything, the equivalent would be Palestinians living next to Israel in Gaza which is what was happening but they invaded Israel, kidnapped and murdered Israeli women and children. Do you think if native Americans did that to present day European descended Americans, they would just sit about singing kum by yah and there would be protests saying " Free the native Americans".

Icreatedausernameyippee · 04/10/2025 12:51

Israel created the apartheid state.

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HaimishaPickle · 04/10/2025 12:52

DomPom47 · 04/10/2025 12:41

Yes free from Hamas and free from an apartheid state.

Surely you can do a little research and see that Israel was occupying and abusing Palestinians long before Hamas even existed. Palestinians were expelled from their homes in 1948, lived under military rule inside Israel until 1966, and have been under Israeli occupation since 1967 — facing land seizures, checkpoints, and home demolitions for decades. Hamas was born in 1987, as a reaction to that ongoing oppression, not the cause of it.

My research is a little less selective than yours, but thanks for the suggestion.

HRTQueen · 04/10/2025 12:52

there is a time and a place

this weekend after what has happened and coming up to the 7 October this isn’t the right time I believe

I have been on the protests it wasn’t a shock but sadly the antisemitism from some was noticed

Bananadramaa · 04/10/2025 12:52

Icreatedausernameyippee · 04/10/2025 12:51

Israel created the apartheid state.

Indeed. South Africa has reported Israel to the ICJ for creating an apartheid state.

StarlightRobot · 04/10/2025 12:52

@IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland

Well said. I am also very worried and frankly horrified that so many people living in the UK now live in fear, many British Jews feel they have to hide their identity. It is extremely disturbing that the protestors have no interest in their concerns whatsoever.

Greenmouldycheese · 04/10/2025 12:53

What the hell. This is a disgusting post and I'm shocked mumsnet has allowed it up. You lot have been celebrating across the country and should be ashamed.

DrPrunesqualer · 04/10/2025 12:53

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 04/10/2025 12:48

Freedom of speech vs hate speech at protests is largely determined by what the police decide on the day.

These protest have crossed the line into open antisemitism which is illegal.

As a Brit I am more concerned about British citizens being afraid to leave their homes on the weekend, than I am about a religious conflict in the Middle East that has nothing to do with us.

They are protests for peace and against genocide
If that means they are antisemitic then your understanding of the word needs re addressing

Attempts on social media to shut this down by shaming people with this anti semitic argument are pointless
We all understand

inamarina · 04/10/2025 12:54

Justagirl95 · 04/10/2025 00:39

Oooh this is awkward

A resolution passed by the International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS) states that Israel's conduct meets the legal definition as laid out in the UN convention on genocide.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cde3eyzdr63o.amp

129 of the IAGS members voted on that resolution, out of approximately 500, so less than a third.

There also don’t seem to be any strict academic or professional prerequisites to become a “genocide scholar”.

According to their own website, “IAGS members are academic scholars, human rights activists, students, museum and memorial professionals, policymakers, educators, anthropologists, independent scholars, sociologists, artists, political scientists, economists, historians, international law scholars, psychologists, and literature and film scholars.”

Not sure their opinion has quite the importance you’re ascribing to it.

DomPom47 · 04/10/2025 12:54

HaimishaPickle · 04/10/2025 12:49

There are Land Back movements in both Australia and the US. Interesting that you think the reclamation and custodianship of sacred and traditional land for those with ancestral and indigenous claims to the area would be considered mad and not going to happen when in some cases it already has.

Yep there are indeed Land Back movements — and some small parcels of land have been returned — but they’re a drop in the ocean compared to the scale of colonisation. Those cases don’t undo the displacement, cultural erasure, and systemic inequality that still exist today.

DrPrunesqualer · 04/10/2025 12:54

Greenmouldycheese · 04/10/2025 12:53

What the hell. This is a disgusting post and I'm shocked mumsnet has allowed it up. You lot have been celebrating across the country and should be ashamed.

Post evidence
of
‘celebrating across the country’

Ablushingcrow · 04/10/2025 12:55

Absolutely not. Hth.

NototerrorismIntheUK · 04/10/2025 12:58

Closetangel · 04/10/2025 12:50

And what about the arpartied , racist "state" of Isreal, occupying land that was never theirs to begin with? Breathing international law time and time again, killing children, killing humans attempting to get food and water ?
Bore off!

Don't you realise Jewish people lived in those lands prior to the Ottoman empire, prior to Islam being thought up, prior to Christianity, and have lived there for many thousands of years. It wasn't all Palestinian land and there was no country or state called Palestine.

BunfightBetty · 04/10/2025 12:58

NototerrorismIntheUK · 04/10/2025 12:48

Its also useful to know when to cause, reflect and miss just one day. The police gave enough to do without the marchers creating more work.

Quite. Common decency and respect for others might lead you to see a pause of one week only as an empathetic response - if you are actually concerned about the welfare of all others, of course.

You have the right to fail to show empathy, compassion and solidarity with the Jewish community if you wish. But do be aware that it signals to others that your supposed concern and empathy is highly selective and focused only on certain ethnicities and does not encompass others. We have a name for that.

Closetangel · 04/10/2025 12:59

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Wheres the proof? What do you mean how many times do I have to be told?
Israel was given that land and stolen more land than you can imagine.
Imagine being proud of such country.
I feel sorry for you, completely brainwashed

DomPom47 · 04/10/2025 12:59

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 04/10/2025 12:50

Jews were first expelled from their homes 2,500 years ago, the continued to be expelled from their homes throughout history, most recently to the gas chambers. Most people understand that the only way to protect Jews from repeated exile and persecution was to ensure they had their own state. It made perfect sense - at a time when Europe was being rejigged after the war to return Jews to their homeland.

Do you see people in the south of Cyprus rampaging over the border raping, torturing and killing thousands in response to the Turkish invasion of Cyprus when many lost their homes? No, because they are not blood thirsty terrorists.

I am not denying Jewish suffering or the need for safety — but that can’t justify the oppression of another people. Palestinians have the same right to live freely, without occupation, apartheid laws, or collective punishment. Safety for one group shouldn’t come at the cost of another’s humanity.

This genocide will continue until there isn’t a Gaza or Palestine to speak with of.

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