To think the Manchester terrorist attack today shows the growing Anti-Semitism

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... and how Jews are not protected in this country.

I'm appalled by your attitude.

My view on Islam is that it's not inherently dangerous always but that the Quran does seem to be more easy for extremists to manipulate.

It should be remembered that these terror bombings were unheard of 30 years ago. Yes, places like the Ottoman empire conquered non-Muslims but terror bombings, Taliban, Al Qaeda, Isis are all recent.

Look at the musical history of different Muslim countries. The ghazal songs of the Mughal emperors' courts, often performed by female dancers. The cabaret scene of 1920s Cairo. The music and dervishes of the Ottoman empire.

Look at the communities now which demand in the UK that their children avoid music and dance.

Music is just one thing which had become steadily MORE restricted in Islamic countries over the centuries, not less. Christianity has got more lax, Islam more. Why?

A BIG part is that in the 18th century the fundamentalist Salafi & Wahhabi groups became very powerful. They are not all violent but large parts of them are, and they are cruelly strict.

I will continue, just getting a link...

I think this comment is spot on.

Today we stand in solidarity with the Jewish community after a truly awful attack.

I think it’s fair to say that antisemitism has risen. But then so has bigotry against all minority groups. The hate spewed out is just horrible to see. Just look at this thread.

We can mourn what happened today while also acknowledging that hate crimes against all non-white, non-British groups seem to be increasing across the board. And NONE of it is ok.

OP, you asked whether Jewish people are protected in this country. I would say they’re as protected as anyone is - the police responded swiftly today.

I think the question to ask is not whether the Jewish community is protected but whether they’re being increasingly targeted - and sadly, I think the answer to that is yes. And that’s the real issue. Unfortunately I don’t see it improving any time soon,

The Salafi & Wahhabi groups are in large part responsible for breeding extremists ideas.

Follow the money. Saudi Arabia & Dubai are pouring money into those movements here.

Yet we kowtow to them & Wrsterners go to live there all too often bc of the cushy benefits that mask their brutal medieval regimes.

We need to become energy self sufficient so that we are no longer beholden to these countries, and we need to keep a VERY close eye on what they are trying to do.

There is more and more evidence,that among other terrible things, Saudi Arabia were involved closely in 9/11.

Evidence of Saudi Arabia funding extremist ideology here:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_propagation_of_the_Salafi_movement_and_Wahhabism_by_region%23:~:text%3DUnited%2520Kingdom,-See%2520also%253A%2520Islam%26text%3DOver%2520the%2520past%2520decade%252C%2520Saudi,toward%2520establishing%2520Islamic%2520study%2520centers.&ved=2ahUKEwi8vcrBg4eQAxUzU0EAHTHMHOEQFnoECBYQBQ&usg=AOvVaw3EXTVgm2cpBnhJkXNoocYi

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=henryjacksonsociety.org/publications/foreign-funded-islamist-extremism-in-the-uk/&ved=2ahUKEwi78LDgg4eQAxVHQUEAHYlbCV8QFnoECB8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0yEuUO_s9ey_MFK5tVBjNG

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=efile.fara.gov/docs/6170-Informational-Materials-20171220-629.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiG_u7ug4eQAxX-Z0EAHcnvDsYQFnoECGEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0u0nOhf2bXN2VkMTAM-cKO

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40496778&ved=2ahUKEwiyipj-g4eQAxWSQkEAHZpmNEMQFnoECCAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0M6OUBrnySuMtHhm7ATJRV

It's not just Saudi Arabia, all Gulf countries seem to be doing this.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.declassifieduk.org/while-media-focuses-on-russian-money-uk-ministers-allow-gulf-tyrannies-to-invest-140bn-in-britain/&ved=2ahUKEwjqlZOmhIeQAxV9QEEAHQGnOI8QFnoECE4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1RCjMPjfHRu_lMW4hblBJt

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/05/report-calls-for-public-inquiry-into-gulf-funding-of-british-extremism&ved=2ahUKEwjNmMjPhIeQAxXDVkEAHVJzKcIQFnoECFIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3jjS0FcgEB0gJUZVuA3tTk

Jihad refers to the inner conflict of like good and evil. It doesn't exclusively mean war.

It's very worrying you dismiss Weiss bc she is Jewish.

She & Free Press have a clear bias towards Israel, but they are honest about it & bias doesn't mean lies. The Daily Mail is biased against Starmer : that doesn't make Beergate a lie.

I will link more from Free Press : an excellent expose of Qatari & Chinese funding of US unis.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.thefp.com/p/explosion-in-foreign-funding-for-american-universities&ved=2ahUKEwj9nf3OhYeQAxW-UEEAHYK4KqYQFnoECB8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2cJ7xiEdn0QyuDXvVEKdMd

This is a logical explanation and by far the most clarified on this topic of conversation. Hope you’re rested and refreshed.

What would you like to see happen?
How can they be more protected?

It's not really a competition. Islamophobia and terrorising asylum seekers are rampant and just as bad. Racism in general is just on the up. Pro Palestine marches have nothing to do with it. White Nationalist marches do.

It was inevitable in the current climate and really is so sad.

I was looking for this ! I think Jews are the most protected group tbh I do think things have changed as of late but generally speaking it's the Muslims that are a constant easy target and I speak as a Christian. Was it last year khan increased a budget for the protection of Jews or something like that or year before. Where was the help for the Muslims it's been like that since 9/11 , the July bombings and it's been getting worse . All you hear is when something bad happens is , what religion where they?! that dog whistle suggesting it was a Muslim.

Firstly and most importantly, this is a shocking incident. No community should feel vulnerable, and no community should be attacked in any way, shape or form.

That said, mosques are attacked regularly. Perhaps not in a way that is called terrorism (I am not an expert so don't know how terrorism is classified.) A moment's google search brought this up: Stockport mosque community 'feels unsafe' after attacks - BBC News

Again, no community should be attacked

There is absolutely is for people who dont care about what happened today.

Your assumption is everyone who was protesting today feel like that.

Mine is they all dont as such I think people who are out protesting against the actions of a war criminal and his supporting puppets in a government inflicting the type of horror that is being witnessed daily in Gaza are decent humans.

Oh my goodness! A tiny minority of Muslims engage in terrorist activity. I don't think we can tar everyone with the same brush here! I am quite shocked by this comment.

Some people will see a link between what is happening in Gaza and what is happening here. Right or wrong. We are an island, but we are part of a wider context.
I am not saying I am agreeing or disagreeing.

Maybe stopped because, you know, it’s sometimes good to be a decent human being. But apparently the people marching didn’t give a toss anyway.

I wonder if the target hasn't been a synagogue but a shopping centre, bus, etc whether we would have the marches today?

All you hear is when something bad happens is , what religion where they?! that dog whistle suggesting it was a Muslim.

Most terror attacks here in the last 20 years or so were committed by muslims. I accept it's an inconvenient truth for many but facts are facts.

Some people will see a link between what is happening in Gaza and what is happening here. Right or wrong. We are an island, but we are part of a wider context.

So the UK public are fair game for terrorist attacks?

Was the Southport attacker an Islamist?
I thought he was acting without an ideology.

Can someone clarify?

Was the Southport attacker an Islamist?

His crime wasn't a terror attack but the police admitted it was a failure to not disclose this earlier enough which added to speculation.

I am not sure that is the logical conclusion to this comment.

That was my understanding too. However, the comment I was responding to says he was an Islamist and that that was covered up.
I wondered if I had missed something.

@samthepigeon what did you mean by wider context then?

The government who allows these marches, not the police. It’s the government who makes these fucked up rules where some groups can get away with death to the uk chants and stuff. This then prevents the police from making arrests.