To think the Manchester terrorist attack today shows the growing Anti-Semitism

[Longingdreamer]

... and how Jews are not protected in this country.

Have you ever had a look at the kind of security on Jewish schools and synagogues?

Do you see similar levels of security on Muslim schools and mosques?

Why do you think that is?

But there is a vast difference in the population numbers of the two groups and on a percapita basis, what do equal numbers reveal? Then again who attacks mosques - certainly not jews. Whereas antisemitic attacks overwhelmingly are perpetrated by muslims.

Jewish-run newspaper quotes professor from Jerusalem University as saying there is starvation isn’t quite the impartial fact checking we need.

Also completely inappropriate to bring up on a thread about the horrific events in Manchester today.

I am sorry, I will clarify. Huge numbers of children ARE starving, and it's vile. But it is NOT a deliberate campaign by Israel, and SOME evidence of starvation was not actually that but was manipulated.

Qatari donations to US unis are funding a lot of false narratives. Also Chinese donations.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatari_involvement_in_US_higher_education%23:~:text%3DThe%2520Qatari%2520involvement%2520in%2520U.S.,agreements%252C%2520most%2520prominently%2520to%2520run&ved=2ahUKEwjXoNzu5YaQAxWOdUEAHZSGFsoQFnoECBwQBQ&usg=AOvVaw3V7w2wuMMHrv2NZN1ojNVB

Well the lefties wanted to "Globalise the Intifada". So I guess they are getting what they wanted.

Because it is the people with the England flags who are the Nazis, right?

It is Jews who are lying dead in the street and ill in hospital. Have the Jews committed violence like that against anyone in the UK?
No. They are a law abiding people.

I think that's more likely to be a case of unequal finances rather than unequal risk, as a previous poster has said there has been 1 attack each on a mosque and a synagogue in recent memory, and I think in general the risk is pretty equal. According to the ONS Muslims have the lowest average income of any religious group in the UK while Jewish people have the highest, so Jewish groups are more likely to be able to afford things like security. Anyway it's not a contest, we should and can care about Anti Semitism and Islamophobia equally! https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/articles/religioneducationandworkinenglandandwales/february2020#:~:text=In%202018%2C%20median%20hourly%20pay,substantially%20reduced%20the%20difference%20in

@Longingdreamer genuinely too heartbroken and terrified to read the thread. The horror of today’s events (and the utter denial on social media, protests, justifications) is overwhelming.

My social and work circle is wide, but only one colleague reached out today to check in. It hurts.

But thank you for starting this discussion and commenting back with far more dignity than I could right now.

I fully believe in multiculturalism. It is at the centre of my core life values.
I am SO proud that our country supports all religions and ethnicities. I am SO grateful they provided a home for my grandparents fleeing the holocaust. I will ALWAYS believe all forms of racism and hate are unacceptable. And I will try to keep hold of the belief that our country will move forward and one day be a safe place for our children.

'Look at those rich Jews, so privileged to be able to pay for the security they have to have to stop racist terrorists murdering their toddlers at nursery school' isn't quite the argument you think it is. You aren't lucky if you have to live like that.

If that's in response to me than you have wildly misinterpreted what I said. Someone said that the fact that synagogues have a lot more security guards etc than mosques means that anti semitism is more of a risk than islamophobia. I said that I believe the risk is the same, the difference in security measures is more likely to be that they are expensive and Muslims in the UK on average have much lower incomes so muslim groups are much less likely to be able to afford them.

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I agree. I support freedom of speech but I think the timing of the marches after the tragic events in Manchester lacks compassion or sensitivity. Innocent Jewish people should not be attacked because of the actions of Israel's government.

Nope, it's good.

Lets everyone see these people for exactly who they are.

Everyone one of those marches makes the populace just a little more angry. Combine it with a terror attack in support, and it will push people even further.

And maybe people will finally start pushing back properly against these numpties.

The mutterings have stopped being whispered, won't be long now before the great silent middle has had enough.

Where have you got that wild prediction? Link, please.

Pew Reesrch predicts a 17% Muslim population, and that's if we continue with high migration, which is increasingly unlikely.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/&ved=2ahUKEwjh7MaS8IaQAxUST0EAHcVmNAMQFnoECBkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw36efZCcRBCEt4lTTAvth8W

UK non Muslim birth rate is dropping & lower than Muslim. If you're scared of Muslim domination, why contribute further to that drop in birth rate?

Plus, UK Muslim birth rate is also dropping, just more slowly.

This isn't the place for replacement theory.

The best thing to do is to make sure younger Muslims are not radicalised and integrate, not unfairly demonise them all.

More facts: the total UK Muslim population is 6.5%.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/bulletins/religionenglandandwales/census2021%23:~:text%3D%25E2%2580%259CNo%2520religion%25E2%2580%259D%2520was%2520the%2520second,%252C%25201.5%2525%2520in%25202011).&ved=2ahUKEwiqhezH8oaQAxUZUkEAHQU3K2AQzsoNegQIOBAZ&usg=AOvVaw2qKVyEyaRByTc4GnuhDy0p

The UK Muslim fertility rate is 3.4 in comparison to non Muslim women's 1.4. It is projected to fall, just more slowly than non Muslim women's.

What a bizarre comment. There is no way the UK will become a Muslim majority country or anywhere near - growth of the Muslim community in the last 10 years was 10% and is predicted to decrease with the pressure for tightening up on migration.

But this thread is not the place to argue statistics. People have died today in appalling circumstances for no other reason that their religion. As a country we should be shocked by this and I think in the majority we are.

Those who have protested against the war in Gaza using anti Jewish slogans should be prosecuted for hate crimes. We need to correct the narrative that it is the Israeli people who are continuing the war and understand it is the Israeli Government doing this.

I am saddened by the violence in Manchester today and I hope we all pause for at least a minute or two to reflect on the passing of those murdered and injured in this act of terrorism.

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The post you quoted holds zionist extremists and western powers accountable. How is that victim blaming?

This is why they say bigotry rots the brain. You are “appalled” by her comment and claim there’s no such thing as islamophobia, only to go on to justify why you believe people “rightfully” should be weary of muslims as a collective.

Over the last 30 years, In the UK, How many Jews have committed terrorism killing people??? The answer shows you who the real religion of peace is!!

I wouldn't be cross with Muslims as a group if they as a group weren't disproportionately responsible for terrorism & grooming gangs relative to their size of the population.

I have no bone to pick with those who are decent.

'The one condition necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do nothing.'

Good Muslims need to stand up against evil radicals & police their community. We myst help them where possible.

I don't like Islam.That is not the same as saying I don't like Muslims, and I think it should be allowed to criticise any religion.

I think it is a backwards ideology that breeds extremism. I think the statistics on terror attacks and the state of most countries where Islam is the basis for law speaks for itself.

I'm not sure why it seems to be the one religion holding the left in thrall. If an entity like Christianity was preaching hate in churches, not accepting LGBT people and the seeming motivation for the vast majority of recent terror attacks, would that still be the case?

Today’s attack was horrific and I don’t disagree that this thread could/should have been centred on the victims in question.

However, the islamophobia and racism jumped out real quick in many replies, which is hard to ignore. It’s quite clear many aren’t interested in all minority groups in this country being free from bigotry but rather just wanting it to be directed in what they consider to be the right direction.