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To think the Manchester terrorist attack today shows the growing Anti-Semitism

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Longingdreamer · 02/10/2025 21:17

... and how Jews are not protected in this country.

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Verv · 03/10/2025 13:01

LittleMG · 03/10/2025 12:59

I think it’s the responsibility of Jewish people to call out Israel actually it’s not something you can stay silent on it’s gone past that. Silence is edging towards complicity now.

I have no issue with Israel focussing on eradicating Hamas.
Fully support them.

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 03/10/2025 13:02

LittleMG · 03/10/2025 12:59

I think it’s the responsibility of Jewish people to call out Israel actually it’s not something you can stay silent on it’s gone past that. Silence is edging towards complicity now.

Why would they after what happened on Oct 7th.

EasternStandard · 03/10/2025 13:02

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 03/10/2025 13:01

I’ve seen it all now. Are you basically saying you think the definition. Of terrorism should be changed to make fewer Muslim terrorist fall within the definition????

I think that is the aim.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 03/10/2025 13:03

LittleMG · 03/10/2025 12:59

I think it’s the responsibility of Jewish people to call out Israel actually it’s not something you can stay silent on it’s gone past that. Silence is edging towards complicity now.

Well, how many Muslims are public ally calling out Gaza, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, UAE?

Jujujudo · 03/10/2025 13:03

LittleMG · 03/10/2025 12:59

I think it’s the responsibility of Jewish people to call out Israel actually it’s not something you can stay silent on it’s gone past that. Silence is edging towards complicity now.

Would you say that the silence of approximately 3 million Muslims (presuming that 1m spoke up) after the terror attack yesterday means they are complicit in terror?

MyKhakiPanda · 03/10/2025 13:04

The police officer who's shot someone by accident must be feeling absolutely awful about it. Trying to help but then that happens.

Notsandwiches · 03/10/2025 13:04

How does the attack show Jews aren't protected? Are you expecting them all ti have armed guards?

Jujujudo · 03/10/2025 13:05

MyKhakiPanda · 03/10/2025 13:01

batzona, doll.

So I was correct first time.

NorthXNorthWest · 03/10/2025 13:05

EasternStandard · 03/10/2025 13:02

I think that is the aim.

No it isn't the aim, but that comment would be better discussed on another thread.

Work9to5 · 03/10/2025 13:05

I don't think it's unique to the Jewish community, there's a rise in hatred towards everyone with a different colour skin, culture and creed and has been steadily creeping up over the last few years.

It's extremely demoralising and saddening.

Winter2020 · 03/10/2025 13:06

RingoJuice · 03/10/2025 11:37

The whole ‘British values’ thing is very strange.

I suspect it came from the ‘American values’ concept, where we (until recently) forced immigrants to adhere to American values, which we outlined as free speech, freedom of conscious, private property rights, freedom of religion, etc etc etc. We had to do this to assimilate the heavily Catholic (and Jewish) immigrant communities—and did this forced assimilation in a period of rock bottom immigration rates.

Britain is facing the same dilemma so trying to crib ‘British values’ but I doubt anyone can conceptualize them beyond ‘fair play’ or whatever. I don’t think it’s going to work tbh

I guess it's difficult for the Government to say that British values allow people, (including and particularly relevant to women) to (within the law) dress how they choose, move around and live their lives how they choose, express opinions in safety and security when those values are in conflict with the values of some that live in Britain and saying that in itself emphasises the differences.

NorthXNorthWest · 03/10/2025 13:08

Notsandwiches · 03/10/2025 13:04

How does the attack show Jews aren't protected? Are you expecting them all ti have armed guards?

It's only the views of the Jewish community on how well they feel protected that matter. Sure other people can voice an opinion, but it cannot carry more weight that of the varied members of the Jewish community.

Juniperberry55 · 03/10/2025 13:09

Winter2020 · 03/10/2025 13:06

I guess it's difficult for the Government to say that British values allow people, (including and particularly relevant to women) to (within the law) dress how they choose, move around and live their lives how they choose, express opinions in safety and security when those values are in conflict with the values of some that live in Britain and saying that in itself emphasises the differences.

Huh? We have freedom of speech, I can also go out wearing whatever I like, it could be a burkha or a bikini. What are you on about?

Whatthistime · 03/10/2025 13:09

ffs. I understand you need justification to feel at ease with your prejudices, but why you have to show your ignorance?

@MyKhakiPanda @LittleMG

Judaism is an ethno-religion. conversion is not easy and rabbis are not seeking converts. Jews are targeted as ethnic group. Whole eugenic rebranding of old Jew hatred to "rational" antisemitism was about race. size of skulls and shapes of noses.
Again, Jews living in Britain made a choice to not engaged in Israel's politics. BY NOT LIVING THERE EVEN IF THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR CITIZENSHIP or already have one.

MyKhakiPanda · 03/10/2025 13:09

Work9to5 · 03/10/2025 13:05

I don't think it's unique to the Jewish community, there's a rise in hatred towards everyone with a different colour skin, culture and creed and has been steadily creeping up over the last few years.

It's extremely demoralising and saddening.

it really, really is and now we arguing on SM who's the most oppressed!

anotherside · 03/10/2025 13:11

I expect the British government’s mealy mouthed criticism of the genocide being perpetrated by Israel in Gaza has possibly if anything actually made things worse in terms of antisemitism in the UK. What the British government should have been making repeating all along is that Israel’s genocide in what was Gaza is abhorrent (I saw “was” because the region is now transformed - in huge parts just a wasteland of rubble) , but that British Jews bear no responsibility whatsoever for the actions of the Israeli government (or at least no more than other British citizen, who have collectively failed to pressure their government into a fitting response).

NorthXNorthWest · 03/10/2025 13:12

MyKhakiPanda · 03/10/2025 13:09

it really, really is and now we arguing on SM who's the most oppressed!

That way lies madness.

samthepigeon · 03/10/2025 13:12

Verv · 03/10/2025 12:51

Having watched the streets crawl with keffiyes chanting from the river to the sea, daubing jewish homes, shuls, and businesses with graffiti and watching a chap named Jihad murder jews in their place of worship only yesterday, yes, I do believe it.
And if we're going to start denying that misogyny is a deep rooted part of that particular religion then I'd direct you towards the Casey review as a starting point.

I live and work in an area with a large Muslim population, and have done for decades. My experience is very, very different. I am not saying you aren't experiencing something different to me, but please don't make generalisations. It is simply not true for everyone. And it is actually quite harmful.

The Casey Review is very careful to be accurate in its wording. Here is a quote from it:

'Muslim communities are not homogenous. There is great diversity in terms of ethnicity, levels of religious observance, socio-economic status and integration.'

It is certainly not true to say misogyny is a deep rooted part of Islam. Please be careful here. Here is another quote:

'There is a need to distinguish between cultural practices and religious beliefs. Not all practices that disadvantage women are religious in origin.'

Culturally, women in the UK experienced misogyny (and still do, arguably!) for hundreds of years. It was only in the 1970s a woman could get a mortgage in her own right. I am not blaming religion for this.

nomas · 03/10/2025 13:12

DialSquare · 03/10/2025 12:54

No, I’m saying that mass immigration (including white immigrants btw) in a short period of time, makes it very hard for any integration to take place, and has a big affect on the longstanding community that was there. And seeing as some of the brown people in my community also moved out, and shock horror, there are brown people living in the area I moved to, please kindly fuck off with whatever it is you are trying to insinuate.

Someone said that white people are called racist for wanting to live with like minded people and you said you agree.

I don't need to insinuate, you said it just fine yourself. And topping it off by people telling people to fuck off.

Winter2020 · 03/10/2025 13:12

Juniperberry55 · 03/10/2025 13:09

Huh? We have freedom of speech, I can also go out wearing whatever I like, it could be a burkha or a bikini. What are you on about?

The right to dress how you like, move around where you like and do what you like with your life, within the law, does not apply to all British women as you well know.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 03/10/2025 13:13

MyKhakiPanda · 03/10/2025 13:04

The police officer who's shot someone by accident must be feeling absolutely awful about it. Trying to help but then that happens.

Absolutely- as well as the emotional side, I suspect he will be off work for a long time, so even if he is on full pay he will miss out on overtime which most olive use to build up their income to proper levels. I hope he is getting plenty of support. He has also become a victim of this evil terrorist.

Juniperberry55 · 03/10/2025 13:15

Winter2020 · 03/10/2025 13:12

The right to dress how you like, move around where you like and do what you like with your life, within the law, does not apply to all British women as you well know.

I mean it literally is the right of every British woman to do those things
No-one is going to arrest them
They may be facing domestic abuse and being controlled by a partner/family member or whatever but it doesn't mean its not their right and that the government would say otherwise

MyKhakiPanda · 03/10/2025 13:15

NorthXNorthWest · 03/10/2025 13:12

That way lies madness.

That way lies violence and war. Othering people, condemning their extremists but not your own, claiming victimhood, putting up bloody flags everywhere, making excuses - well they started it...

inamarina · 03/10/2025 13:16

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It’s showing compassion for every minority group in the UK that is unjustly attacked.

Following the same logic, saying “All lives matter” would be showing compassion for every life, yet people object to that phrase.
Why can’t antisemitism be discussed as a separate issue, without mentioning all the other minorities and their struggles?

samthepigeon · 03/10/2025 13:16

anotherside · 03/10/2025 13:11

I expect the British government’s mealy mouthed criticism of the genocide being perpetrated by Israel in Gaza has possibly if anything actually made things worse in terms of antisemitism in the UK. What the British government should have been making repeating all along is that Israel’s genocide in what was Gaza is abhorrent (I saw “was” because the region is now transformed - in huge parts just a wasteland of rubble) , but that British Jews bear no responsibility whatsoever for the actions of the Israeli government (or at least no more than other British citizen, who have collectively failed to pressure their government into a fitting response).

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Except that one poster here said they do support Israel's actions. There may be more. I don't know.

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