To think the Manchester terrorist attack today shows the growing Anti-Semitism

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... and how Jews are not protected in this country.

1. Israel is not fighting in the name of 'crusade'. Judaism is the religion, Jewish is an ethnicity. Israel is and has been attacked because of ethnicity. I've already mentioned that my great grand father atheism was not a protection.
2. People living in Britain made a clear choice to not be involved in Israeli politics. To be eligible for voting you must live in Israel, even if you have a citizenship, to vote you must be physically in Israel.

I skimmed that link. Didn't see any schools. The poster said Catholics made bomb threats to schools, and she was old enough to remember them all, an air of surprise that others couldn't. I don't remember Catholics (interesting use of Catholic not IRA) blowing up schools or threatening to do so. Forgive me if I missed it, but I didn't see any in the list you posted either.

I’m all for religious education to be dropped and for it to be taught in the historical context in a critical way. Not as a belief system that should be respected but one that is open to criticism and study.

However, I do think it is really important in the UK to understand (and note understand not believe or even think it should be blindly respected) Christianity due to many of institutions, history, art, literature and laws being entwined with Christianity. There is no need to understand any other religion to that extent in this country. If people want to practice a faith it’s up to them, but it should have zero implications for me. I don’t want it in the workplace, I don’t want it in the media, I don’t want it in schools apart from as an academic subject, focusing on critical analysis.

Schools (including private schools) should not be able to be faith based. We live in a secular society based on Christian values and traditions, we are culturally Christian. That position should be the guiding principle in public and academic life. even separating burial grounds is divisive.

People should respect other people, but I don’t need to respect any religion that I think is a load of made up bollocks.

I think if the aibu unreasonable was ' did anyone else think the terrorist incident in Manchester was horrific ' must people on here would have agreed it was horrific and tragic. But the Jewish population are protected in this country, the police responded quickly. Without having armed guards accompanying each Jewish person, the police couldn't have done much more.
There will obviously always be a few people that have disgusting views but I doubt it's nearly 1/3 people who voted

Well its how I see it.

@MyKhakiPanda why do you think jews are protected? Many don't seem to feel that.

This doesn’t make any sense? You can’t believe stupidity that you’re predicting?

The police had to make a difficult decision. The only one to blame for the murders is the murderer, not the police trying to prevent them.

Thank goodness we don't have easy access to guns in this country, or these kinds of attacks would certainly have a higher death count.

I don't think a Jewish cemetery or other religion is divisive...

There are many places in the world where police / security forces have twiddled their thumbs in tacit approval whilst civilians were being killed. I don’t think this is example of that.

Who has suggested the above? It's just more whataboutery.

Well i hope so! The way this country is going though i wouldn't be that surprised.

I’ve read your response about six times. I really really want to understand what is it you’re trying to say. Please correct me if I’ve not understood something.
First of all it looks like both Jewish and Muslim communities suffer from the drip down effect of propaganda created to cause division, hatred and racism, This is a common theme for minorities like ours and the media, politicians etc should be doing more.
You also went on about Jews being the same as Islamic radicals and extremists.. But a Jewish person saying they are happy Gazan babies are dying (which is abhorrent of course - this is NOT representative of Jews) is not the same as an Islamic terrorist killing Jews at a synagogue.
I would have loved to have heard you saying how sorry you are for the Jewish community and that as a Muslim you condemn the actions of the terrorists.
Also it’s worth pointing out that there are about 250,000 Jews in the UK, compared to 4 million Muslims. This makes a huge difference in how racism is viewed and how easy it is for Jews to feel like they are not heard.

Well i hope so! The way this country is going though i wouldn't be that surprised.

I'm not sure anymore

it is MAINLY Muslims that are carrying out terrorist attached.

That's partly because of institutional bias in how terrorism is defined and prosecuted. CREST carried out a study on this and found that, of the 809 people convicted of terror related offences between 2001 and 2022, 61.7% were Islamists, but also found that non-muslims were significantly less likely to be charged with terror related offences than Muslims, even for the same crimes, which made the statistics unreliable.

Derek Bird killed 12 people in a gun attack, but wasn't classed as a terrorist, while Ali Harbi Ali killed one person in a knife attack and was classed as a terrorist.

Ryan McGee killed no one but was involved with the British far right, had prescribed terrorist literature in his possession and had made a viable IED, but wasn't classed as a terrorist. While Abu Izzadeen killed no one but was involved with the islamic far right, including fundraising, and was classed as a terrorist.

An environment is being created which is hostile to lots of people on the grounds of race. Anti-semitism is appalling and just one part of that.

There is no need to understand any other religion to that extent in this country.

At a time when ignorance is rife, you’re advocating for more ignorance. Bizarre.

'I’m all for religious education to be dropped and for it to be taught in the historical context in a critical way. Not as a belief system that should be respected but one that is open to criticism and study.'

In our DCs schools they don't teach 'religion' they have Philosophy & Ethics twice a week until the kids leave school. They cover everything from World religions to philosophy to PSHE subjects. Much better way to do it IMHO. Rather than being a a religious school where other faiths might get a mention but THE faith of the school is portrayed as the right or most important one in some way.
And I say that as someone who attended faith schools from age 5-18.

No but they are the demographic under threat that this thread is relating to.

I’m sorry, but you’re sticking your head in the sand. Given the rhetoric on here I can quite believe those figures.

Really??? You actually think that because the police responded to a terrorist incident that means that Jews are protected? It’s hard to believe you could think that if you think Jews should be treated equally. If Jews were protected and hate against them wasnt allowed to go unpunished then there would not have been any incident for the police to respond to!! Are you one of the 29%?

See its clear you aren't religious. I really wish people who have no religious understanding would refrain from religious debate. Jesus is the Son of God. He is God. He is not a prophet as Muslims would like to believe. This trot about Muslims and Christians being one and the same thing is fundamentally wrong.

Unfortunately people seem unable to separate the Jewish faith from the Israeli government. But to be fair the Israeli government seem unable to do this as well and claim that criticism of their actions is antisemitism.

I am not sure you would love it. You implied I wouldn't listen to your arguments. I said I would, and I tried to engage you in a discussion. You are now saying you won't listen to what I have to say, even before I have said it.
Are the quotes you gave about the Koran out of context? I don't have a vast expertise in the Koran. I am thinking you might. I am not a Biblical scholar either, but have more knowledge of that. Do you?

Derek Bird killed 12 people in a gun attack, but wasn't classed as a terrorist, while Ali Harbi Ali killed one person in a knife attack and was classed as a terrorist.

The death count doesn't determine whether something is a terrorist attack or not. Do you understand why Ali was labelled a terrorist attack?

'... and how Jews are not protected in this country.' is what OP said, which is a much broader wider statement or was it a question?

I was very sad to hear, discussing the attack with my dd yesterday that lots of her contemporaries are negative about Jews. I’m getting old now but was young when most people had lived through WW2 and saw the news about the camps. When I was a young adult, I can’t remember anti semitism being a thing at all. But the old tropes are now being recirculated among young people. I heard a radio caller yesterday saying that British jews should be condemning Israel over Gaza-implying that this was a contributory factor to the attack. Absolutely nuts-we don’t ask British Chinese people to condemn the Chinese government, nor British Indians or Pakistanis to condemn anything those governments are involved in. So why is it different for Jews?