To think the Manchester terrorist attack today shows the growing Anti-Semitism

[Longingdreamer]

... and how Jews are not protected in this country.

I have white British and Irish heritage and I am married to a North African Muslim immigrant.

I unreservedly condemn the murder of Jewish people yesterday. There are no justifications that can or should be made.

I also agree with Muslim posters on this thread who recognise that Islamic extremism harms everyone including peaceful Muslims like my DH and DC.

I think it is time for all British people to ask themselves what sort of society we want. We all have a duty to challenge not only overt extremism but also the insidious othering that goes on. Have people on the pro-Palestine marches really thought through the implications of what they are saying. Do they intend the state of Israel to disappear? Then what?
Similarly, those people who extrapolate from grooming gangs to all Muslims are… (especially when failing to acknowledge the scale of CSA in the non-Muslim population)

One thing I have said to my DC is don’t be fooled into thinking that far right and far left people who are prepared to be anti-Semitic aren’t racist towards other groups.

If we want Britain to be a moderate country where people are safe to live and worship peacefully then we need to make a stand now and stop making excuses for any racially or religiously motivated attack. It was awful and unacceptable and goes against the fundamental values of this country.

I’d be happy to see any reliable statistics on this and happy to be corrected. However I can think of only 1 terror attack on Jewish persons in Europe in the last 10 years that wasn’t carried out by Muslim individuals. That was the German synagogue attack in 2019.

I think you're missing the point tbh. You can cherry pick out of any religious text to make out that people who follow those religions are monsters because they must believe every word and follow it entirely in order to be religious
The vast majority of people who follow these religions, don't stone people or fight anyone who believes something differently to them. There are fundamentalists in all religions, there will be Christians that have massacred Muslims, Muslims doing the same to Jews, even different types of Christians killing each other (remember 'the troubles' in Ireland) none of the extremism on any side should be tolerated. I'm an atheist and have met people from all sides, some lovely, some arseholes, it isn't their religion that defines them as a good or a bad person

I assume she thinks that Jews hate Muslims often because of the Israel-Gaza conflict where ofc most Jews support Istael.But obvs that's not about Jews hating Muslims. A lot of Muslims have seen bombings of Gaza etc in the past & attribute it to hate. Many also feel Israel treated the Palestinians cruelly displacement & Nakba etc though it seems a lot of the Nakba has been exaggerated.

See also Notting Hill. Huge Caribbean population displaced by wealthier groups

This.

Of course they can.

Just like a black person born in Glasgow would be Scottish.

You said the 3 schools are mainly Muslim, but if I look at the pupil demographics, of for example one of the 3 schools, it says the biggest group are White- Other, then African, then Mixed and then White British.

From a Catholic understanding, the harsh penalty in Exodus 22:20 against sacrificing to other gods must be interpreted within its original context as a legal code for the ancient Israelite theocracy. In that society, idolatry was not just a religious sin, but an act of political treason against God, who was considered the nation's sole ruler. The severe punishment served to protect the unique and exclusive covenant relationship between God and his chosen people, Israel, at a specific point in salvation history.
Catholic theology reconciles such Old Testament commands with later teachings in several ways:

• The fulfillment of the Law in Christ: The Church teaches that Jesus Christ fulfills the Old Law, and his teachings provide the ultimate moral standard. In the New Covenant, capital punishment is no longer sanctioned by the Church as a means to punish spiritual offenses.
• Moral, ceremonial, and civil law: While the moral principles of the Old Testament remain timeless, the specific civil and ceremonial laws, like those dictating capital punishment for idolatry, were particular to ancient Israel and do not apply to contemporary society.
• God's accommodation for a "hardened heart": As Jesus explained regarding divorce (Matthew 19:8), some Old Testament laws were an accommodation to the Israelites' "hardness of heart" and their morally underdeveloped state. These laws, therefore, do not represent God's ultimate moral ideal, but a stage in his progressive revelation.
• Contextual understanding of justice: The Church views Old Testament justice within its cultural and historical context, noting that the laws were given to a people living in a brutal and pagan world. The laws helped to correct and limit the harsh practices of the time.

Shift from a civil to a spiritual penalty In the New Testament, St. Paul reiterates the prohibition against idolatry but moves the punishment from a civil one to a spiritual one. In 1 Corinthians 5:13, he directs the church to "purge the evil person from among you," which refers to excommunication, not execution. This reflects the shift from Israel's civil authority to the spiritual authority of the New Testament Church.

For Catholics, the verse signifies the gravity of spiritual treason against God within the specific context of the Israelite theocracy. The New Covenant, fulfilled by Christ, redefines the consequences of idolatry in a spiritual rather than a civil sense, consistent with the evolving understanding of God's revelation.

No deaf ears here nomas.

I agree.

On the grooming gangs though..it was way out of proportion to the percent of Muslims (esp back then when it was lower). There's no such huge community wide gangs hushed up in other communities.

The last stoning was in Iraq in 2014 though. Hopefully that will be the last one ever.

@CleopatraSelene
You've hit the nail on head in asking how credible are religions in the first place.
The more I think about religious beliefs, the more dumbfounded I am. I really can't get my head around humans following any of it. It amazes me.

Where are your statistics?

I understand that. Jews don't have the NT though & they don't support any of that either.

The point is that Islam also needs to evolve

I'm Christian myself but still find it hard to think those punishments could ever be OK...☹️

Simply that no man is an island. Threads of consequences are very tangled. World history and British history can't be looked at isolation, so world events and events that happen in the UK similarly can't be looked at in isolation.
Do you think we can?

YANBU

However, all you'll get from some is but, but, but..... they are anti semitic and comfortable with their hatred but they won't see it or admit it.

Thoughts are with the Jewish community.

But isn't what you did to the Qu'ran? Picked out verses without context?

How do you know what is happening in Afghanistan? The Taliban have said they would use it. Who would record its practise?

It wasnt even spread amongst the Muslim population, or even distributed amongst the Pakistani community. It was a group of people who belong to one tribe in Pakistan who happen to be a large part of the Pakistani population in this country. Probably due to forced marriage of British children to illiterate cousins 'back home' and family reunion visas.

That not the same as a Christian genocide as you called it. Boko Haram is just one of the groups committing this violence and Christians are one of the several target groups. Boko Haram means “against western education”.

I think it's a mechanism, almost something most people need...I see that in myself.

I guess Christians as PraiseBe said make it work by saying the Old Law is superceded. Jews have also done that mostly (partly bc modernisation wasn't really optional when they needed to survive). Muslims are somewhat, but slower. Hindus ditto, esp in India itself with the caste system etc

Sikhs & Buddhists are luckily fairly moderate to begin with

From Kashmir Mirpur area mainly I think?

As someone who has Irish Catholic heritage I think the Catholic Church did just that.
(also there is a new Archbishop of Canterbury today - remember why the last one stood down!).

And London!

Have you read the new Testament?