To think the Manchester terrorist attack today shows the growing Anti-Semitism

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... and how Jews are not protected in this country.

then it must be fair to say that overall Jews are the biggest contemporary murderers of Muslims, so every Muslim should fear Jews?

But you said this, which gets very close to blaming British Jews for the actions of the Israeli government.

Nobody has said it’s ALL Muslims but despite your unfounded claims about the ‘far right’, it is MAINLY Muslims that are carrying out terrorist attached. Avoiding or minimising the risks of this is harmful to all of us, including moderate Muslims.

It doesn't mean The Syrian. Al Sham is the Levantine, so Al Shami is the one from the Levantine (which covers Syria, Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon and parts of Iraq and South Turkey). It's not uncommon in Arabic to have place names as surnames, in the same way someone in the UK might be called Brooklyn or Venezuela and have no geographical connection. It's very unlikely to be a nom de guerre (although thank you for the speculation!) as police would release his official name and use inverted commas for NdG

What about Native Americans? Are they excluded from the story? 🤔

Would you also then say a non-ethnically native person can't be Scottish, Welsh or Irish?

Well, you could also quote the Bible too when it - tells women to submit to men, condones rape and sexual violence, mentions stoning gay people, states what kind of slaves you can own, demands the killing of non-believers...
'But those enemies of mine who did not want me ( JESUS) to be King over them - bring them here and kill them in front of me'

The Torah, BTW is also full of the same bullshit - because the major religions all want the same thing - to be #1 and get rid of the other 'false religions

I mean the Bible says "Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the Lord must be destroyed” (Exodus 22:20) but it will fall on deaf ears no doubt.

my heart is with the jewish people of Britain who are hurt and scared after this attack.

it seems like there is an obvious pattern where when the public sentiment moves against Netenyahu, there’s always an incident for the status quo politicians to use to attack legitimate concerns about the people of Palestine being subject to a genocide. You can believe that the terrorist attack in Manchester is evil and what’s happening in Palestine is unspeakable evil against the citizens of Palestine.

You are not reading the posts properly, then falsely making accusations. Nowhere have I said British Jews, or Jews in general should take responsibility of Israeli government. The poster I was quoting was making that inference about Muslims, so I turned it around to say by their logic that statement should also be fair and correct (and it was of course neither).

Please read the post about MAINLY because you are talking about something else.

Jews are only 0.5% of the UK population, so it's possible she had never met one after school (as she seemed to indicate). A very odd post, definitely.

samthepigeon
"Several people have commented that it is not genocide, and that anyone who thinks it is has been taken in by Hamas propaganda."

Personally I would rather pay more attention to the International Association of Genocide Scholars than some randomer on mumsnet.

Agree we could cherry pick. But again, assuming your in the UK. Do you think as a person in the UK you're more likely to see islamic terrorist attacks in the name of islam versus hindu/christian/Judaism (insert any religion)?

Yes, as I said, the problem is not Muslims per se but fundamentalists who want to DO all that.

The thing is, I dont think any Christians continue with stoning for adultery. The Christian religion has moved on from the dark ages but Islam hasn't.
So if we are going to be pedantic, the Islamic terrorists are practicing true Islam. Whereas the moderate Muslims wont be receiving their Virgins. Well, the men wont. Not sure if the woman get a reward.

Apparently so, cause the European descendants (not a nationality- despite pp saying we can't be English only British) 'built' that country... That land mustn't have existed before they 'built' it apparently. Must've literally brought the soil with them from Europe to physically create the country from scratch 😂

I would love to hear your bible quotes which I'm sure I could pick apart for you as no doubt you will have taken out of context and have zero understanding of.

You are not being silenced.
Nor am I.

Islam and Christianity share commonalities as monotheistic, Abrahamic religions, believing in one God, prophets (including Adam, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus), sacred texts, an afterlife with heaven and hell, and a day of judgment. Both faiths acknowledge the virgin birth and miracles of Jesus and the existence of Satan. They also share ethical values such as love of neighbors and believe that practicing their faith creates peace and harmony.

Seem pretty similar to me 🤷🏻‍♀️

For the record I am not religious at all - but I respect others’ right to be so.

Which country has stonings?

Google says the most recent confirmed instance of stoning occurred in August 2014 in Mosul, Iraq, when the Islamic State (IS) stoned an man for adultery.

Antisemitism has always been there, ready to crawl out of the woodwork It has been more subtle at times but raises it's ugly head regularly. The same with anti Islamic prejudice, which is more overt, particularly since 9/11. It isn't right that Jewish schools and places of worship have to be incognito and be patrolled by security guards. It isn't right that Moslems are demonised and treated like terrorists by the likes of Tommy Robinson and his ilk. It isn't right that both Moslems and Jews are held to be responsible for every ill in society and don't feel safe in this country.

What is happening in Gaza is travesty, a genocide and the world cannot stand by and watch this continue. We also cannot deny or minimise the impact of October 7th on Israelis and Jews everywhere. It does matter. What is happening in Gaza does not negate that. However it should not blind us to what is going on beneath our noses in this country and elsewhere. All Jews cannot be held responsible for the actions of the Israeli Government. All Moslems cannot be held responsible for the actions of terrorists whether groups or individual. What happened in Manchester yesterday can never be justified or explained by what is happening in Gaza. People of all faiths or none deserve to live in peace in our country.

Saves me naming the 3 schools then doesn’t it!!

It's very dangerous to say they are the true Muslims. Just as it would very dangerous to say non-fundamentalist Christians & Jews are not true ones. Not the kind of talk that encourages moderation of belief.

I agree tho ofc the issue is Islamic fundamentalist being more common.

Ofc this raises the obvious question: if all religions need to move on from the ',dark ages', how credible are they in the first place...?

Which I can understand. However, if you don't know any because they are a tiny minority, then you aren't really in a position to comment on how well they integrate (it's possible she does know some but she doesn't know they're Jewish because they've integrated so well) and it is certainly off to go way back to a childhood incident to give your concession that you don't think they're all bad people (how nice). If you don't know any, why would you think they were bad people by default?

I'm not surprised that some Jewish posters were offended.

Anyway, I am tired of discussing that post now so I'm going to consign it to the mental circular filing cabinet.

Don't be silly, there are plenty of brutal execution laws in the OT. Not to mention the 'marriage' of captive women being permitted with no mention of her consent.

The point is most Christians don't want to stone for adultery or put to death for gay sex anymore.

It actually is. Unfortunately.

A quick google March 2024 article comes up

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/mar/28/taliban-edict-to-resume-stoning-women-to-death-met-with-horror

I will make few general points, but firstly:
I am sorry and it should never be necessary.

So, to all the good people who are not antisemites, just concerned that all lives matter. When you read these post do you feel any emotions?
I know several people who learnt they are Jewish around the age they should have their bar/bat mitzvah. Their parents thought that not being the part of community is the best protection. However, when you observe your child growing and you start to thing about your own experiences something breaks inside you. And the fact is, not being part of community, rejection of religion never worked. My great grand father was an atheist. Still endured decades of antisemitism. So:
Why Jewish people are still hiding when it was supposed to be never again?
Why Jews to be leave in peace have to be the good kind - the first to renounce whatever and whoever is the bad one.

And my congratulations to all who are "anti-zionists". Your actions made Israel stronger - record numbers of British and French Jews are doing aliyah. My uncle keeps saying next year in Jerusalem.

Ps

@StrongLikeMamma Not true...