To think the Manchester terrorist attack today shows the growing Anti-Semitism

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... and how Jews are not protected in this country.

English do not have a state so they are not a nationality. It’s a British state, thus you’d be a British national.

For contrast, Japan is an ethnostate. You could actually become a Japanese national (I know someone who did) but you cannot be ethnically Japanese.

This is an important distinction. But let’s not derail this thread further.

Anti-Semitism has grown in the UK. The answer is not thoughts and prayers. What can be done to reduce it? I would say sentiment over Gaza has led people to voice things they’d otherwise keep quiet.

So that makes it OK then? When the attack and murders happened on October 6th what did the Palestinians think would be Israel's reaction? I am in no way defending what's happening in Gaza but there are many who think that they have a free card because of it. Simply put, two wrongs don't make a right.

So would you tell Ian Wright, who describes himself as an Englishman, that he isn't English?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Wright

Actually they do, there's now a Home Office service for protective security for mosques and muslim community centres. Extremism is everywhere at the moment, and the police and security services have long since acknowledged that there is a growing threat from far-right UK extremists.

And you did it with baseless accusations and rudeness and sanctimony of your own. That's ok, it's the Internet, but just as I won't take lectures on integration from someone who has to ask if Jews take part in public life, I won't take lectures on #bekind from you.

Last night, in the London borough of Waltham Forest, all three of the state schools that my brother is looking at for his daughter had their open evenings. On Yom Kippur. No other possible dates. Coincidence? Possibly. Welcoming to Jews? Absolutely not.

These schools are down to skeleton staff and pupils at Eid. Which is fine, the population is mainly Muslim. But to paint them as secular state schools welcoming to all is very misleading. There is a reason many Jews have to send their children to Jewish school. They are not welcome or safe in majority Muslim ‘secular’ schools.

Yep, importing their ideas on guns and religion from the US, a country they don't want to live in.

Any law outlawing so-called “Islamophobia” would have to be carefully crafted and sufficiently nuanced to avoid becoming a blasphemy law that only applies to one religion. Our legislators simply do not have it in them and a ham-fisted half job - characteristic of this Labour government - will create many more problems than it solves.

Possibly increasing anti semitism ( and I expect most instances come from individuals of in Muslim origin ) . Don’t agree that Jews are not protected. All synagogues have security at the door during services ( as I found out when I tried to meet a rabbi, ended up touring London synagogues and completely failing to cross any threshold, but that’s another story). A lot of it is funded by Jewish charities but the tax payer also contributes . Baroness Neuberger today also expressed she doesn’t believe the Jewish community is not protected here.

You said the post in question was 'nasty' but couldn't say which bit was nasty. Was that not a baseless accusation?

America was created by dissident Europeans, so we are native to our country which we built.

If you want to deport me to America, well, you don’t seem very skilled at the whole deportation thing so I’ll consider it an empty threat.

I think its very similar. One day, something which had always been accepted was turned on its head and everyone had to acquiesce or be deemed of something in phobic/phobia/ist/ism. One day it suddenly was deemed that a male was a woman just because they said so. How is that different to suddenly someone from anywhere in the world can fill in a form and hey presto they are British. The Southport killer was a Welsh choir boy remember. That violent criminal recently was a 'Yorkshire man'. It's revolting and it is a lie.

No, statistically most anti-Semitic attacks in the UK are by white people.

@samthepigeon https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/25/public-think-islam-not-compatible-with-british-values/

FYI British values are-
Democracy, the Rule of Law, Individual Liberty, and Mutual Respect and Tolerance.

Fight against those who do not believe in Allāh or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allāh and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth [i.e., Islām] from those who were given the Scripture — [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.”

(Surah 9:29)

The Quran commands its adherents to fight people on the basis of what they believe, not to tolerate it.

I mean I could go on but it will fall on deaf ears no doubt.

So you’re comparing hurty words on social media with people actually being murdered in the street or by bombs?

Please explain what this ‘far right’ are actually doing and how many people they have murdered. Otherwise it seems that ‘far right’ is just an empty insult designed to shut down conversation about the actual risks to our society of Islamic extremism.

Several people have commented that it is not genocide, and that anyone who thinks it is has been taken in by Hamas propaganda.

I see one of the victims was shot dead by police and another wounded by police too.

I'm am English, I am also British. I can also consider a baby born with Pakistani ethnicity to be English.... Does that blow your mind?
I also accept people who are English that have a baby in Wales or Scotland that their baby is Welsh or Scottish... We would all also be considered British

I know the concept of the UK , great Britain, England, Scotland, Wales, NI are difficult to get your head around if you're American, it doesn't mean that you know better than the people who live here

Here is a tough-to-read but important thread on r/Pakistan about the abuse gangs. The Muslim posters there have useful insights into why it happened.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pakistan/s/cmVYryQ94O

It's been said several times by other posters but yes, a post that suggests Jews don't integrate (what integrated person would think that?), states that they "don't think all Jews are bad people" and has to base even this wonderful concession on some childhood incident (as a Jewish posters said, so you'd think they were all bad people otherwise even though this poster doesn't know any?) is pretty nasty. It offended several Jewish posters so if you think they're wrong, perhaps you can tell them. All in the name of fostering positivity, of course.

I think you are making assumptions about me, which frankly I do not appreciate. I also will say the Telegraph may be biased. They are reporting on a survey of whether people in Britain think Muslims don't have British values. They are reporting on opinions, not facts. Lots of people in Britain are a bit dim, and if asked would say things like the moon is made of cheese. Same as they think every migrant gets a free house as soon as their feet touch UK soil, and that immigrants are the root cause of all the problems in the country. I need more evidence. There is loads of stuff in the Bible I could quote which would make Christians sound deeply unpleasant too.

Right but the Bible says many things that most Christians & Jews don't do. The issue is whether Muslims are following a fundamentalist version or not.

After all, if people followed the OT literally we'd have all sorts of gruesome punishments. The difference ofc is that almost no one wants that apart from a few fringe US Christian fundamentalists.

This is quite a serious allegation. Aren't these dates planned several months in advance?

There seem to be lots of open days coming up in October

www.walthamforest.gov.uk/schools-education-and-learning/apply-school-place/apply-secondary-school/school-open-evening-dates-2025

People could also cherry pick quotes from the Bible or other religious texts.

The point is, the more people attack different religions, races etc the more fuel is added to the fire. The more people are being pushed into extreme views when they feel victimised themselves and try to fight back.

The intolerance across the board is the issue, people should be accepting one another's race, religion and beliefs as long as it doesn't have negative impacts on other people. For example, I don't believe stoning for adultery or blasphemy should be accepted in this country either... Regardless of whether we're a Christian nation technically

You can believe whatever you want. But you can’t make it true.

You already have ‘British’ which unifies the various cultures and communities who have made the UK their home. You don’t need to erase English people to accomplish this.

It is why you talk about British values and try to come to a consensus over what these are. It’s not an easy process