To think the Manchester terrorist attack today shows the growing Anti-Semitism

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... and how Jews are not protected in this country.

Plenty of English people would disagree with you.

https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/latest-insights/how-do-people-define-englishness/#:~:text=Polling%20by%20More%20in%20Common,someone%20can%20be%20considered%20English.

Well 1 in 5 British Muslims sympathise with Islamic terrorists. So probably more than one Muslim, yeah.

The whole ‘British values’ thing is very strange.

I suspect it came from the ‘American values’ concept, where we (until recently) forced immigrants to adhere to American values, which we outlined as free speech, freedom of conscious, private property rights, freedom of religion, etc etc etc. We had to do this to assimilate the heavily Catholic (and Jewish) immigrant communities—and did this forced assimilation in a period of rock bottom immigration rates.

Britain is facing the same dilemma so trying to crib ‘British values’ but I doubt anyone can conceptualize them beyond ‘fair play’ or whatever. I don’t think it’s going to work tbh

Probably because they're American and they like to say things like 'I'm Irish ' whilst claiming their great great great great great grandfather was Irish. They are an American citizen with some Irish blood, they tend to ignore that they may be a mix of other ancestry and cling onto that one ancestor. They are probably a white mix from various regions. There have an American nationality, but yet refuse to believe that someone with a different skin colour could move to England and has British nationality because that doesn't count for whatever reason because they aren't 'indigenous british' whilst ignoring the fact white people weren't indigenous to America either

Interesting an American like you can't define British values, mores etc

Doesn't mean they don't exist or aren't important..

It is a shame some people are feeling so worried.

There is still Islamophobia, institutionally in eg the police force (cf Panorama's programme about the Met where officers openly stated they hated Muslims).
I think such rhetoric needs to calm down. It will do nothing to help the current situation.

It's certainly odd for an American to try & tell us how we should define English & British...🤔

Jihad means struggle, of any type. It's common for premature babies to be named Jihad.

Especially as the 'American' values you outlined are long established and key to Britain...

Yeah, probably the same cohort believe that a man can become a woman too. Don’t care. Truth does not lie in opinion polls.

Arguably, as the Jewish community here say what is happening in Gaza is nothing to do with them, the march isn't relevant to British Jews, so can go ahead.
(Not saying how I feel one way or the other on this. Just pointing out a logical argument.)

one of yesterdays worshippers was shot dead by the police. And another injured. So tragic.

I'm gc and believe that people can't change sex. These two things are very separate issues

Nonsense. There have always been racial and religious tensions. Catholics, Protestants, black, brown, Asian, Irish, Jews, Muslims…the list of people persecuted for daring to exist is endless.

We might think it’s got worse, but I suspect it’s simply got more widely shared thanks to the ever-giving shithole that is social media.

Racists are nothing new.

So you think believing that English can be more than an ethnic identity is in the same league as TWAW?

Charming...

I think Islamic extremism is a problem for all of us

Exactly. There's been a lot of lecturing Americans on the boards recently with strong opinions...🥱

The surname means 'The Syrian' apparently so the attacker may have used this as a nom de guerre rather than it being the actual given birth name.

There are about 200 Muslim schools in the UK. Of those, all but 20 are private. I know the education sector very well, and Muslims go to state schools, even Church of England schools (one I was associated with had majority Muslim kids, even though it was C of E).
You are right. Muslims integrate. I work with them as colleagues, have them as friends.

Whereas your post is pure confusion and makes no sense.

The poster I responded to said it was impossible for someone born in the UK to ever be Pakistani, I listed the circumstances by which one is or can be Pakistani.

You've gone off on a weird tangent.

And I don't think it's bad to ask someone where they're from, but when they answer 'London', don't ask 'No, where are you really from?' Because that is a micro-aggression.

I didn’t ask you to shut up, I suggested you might consider how you interact with people if you genuinely want to stem hateful discourse.

But clearly you don’t, so as you were. I don’t feel the need to justify myself to some acerbic stranger online.

Not marrying pre pubescent girls, one spouse only, religious tolerance, women not subservient to men, eat with cutlery, use loo paper, certain attitudes towards manners/social interaction/queuing etc, love of and respect for animals, fair justice system.. no stoning for example, importance of education for all, honesty. So many aspects of values, culture etc.

Why would you think this?

"Well 1 in 5 British Muslims sympathise with Islamic terrorists. So probably more than one Muslim, yeah."

Where are you getting this statistic from ?

I wonder how they'd feel about being deported to their ethnic origin countries, because after all their ethnicity doesn't line up with the indigenous people of the USA and therefore shouldn't feel entitled to call themselves American at all... It's all ridiculous