To think the Manchester terrorist attack today shows the growing Anti-Semitism

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... and how Jews are not protected in this country.

Thank you. That is what I fear. Who knows what goes on behind closed doors...? This must be a priority.

The police shot two innocent Jewish people, one of whom has died. It was not known before this morning.

Wow! Incompatible with western values! Just wow!
What are western values, exactly?

But of course you used Germany for your example. Swap Germany with Somalia, Egypt, Pakistan, India. I expect you suddenly feel quite differently on how entitled you are to claim that you are of one of them. Because its recognised that their race, culture and heritage is more than just a legal document.

Someone has probably said this, but we have had Islamist extremism against Western targets on a large scale since the days when Israel was actively pursuing a more peaceful conciliatory stance in Gaza and the West Bank. I don't remember any Jewish target particularly in the 9/11 or 7th July attacks, or the ones at Manchester Arena or London Bridge or countless others. They just wanted to kill and maim and get to heaven with their virgins.

Blaming it on "Zionism" simply gives an element legitimacy to their general murderous agenda, and also smacks of victim blaming. "Oh you wouldn't be killed at synagogue if only a government in a different country pursued a different path". If the Israeli government stopped it's current hideous path, you're saying that Islamic terrorism would suddenly stop too, are you? These "people" who have actively been seeking to kill Westerners for decades? And the women of Afghanistan would be free and safe, for example? The savage regime that runs their country would just stop?They would stop their radicalising agenda everywhere?

This comment actually made me feel a bit ill.

Outsiders often see things more clearly, it’s true.

One person said something, so now you know they all think like this?

I suppose we can then say that the marches supporting Palestine shouldn't affect them then...

Don't be silly, pp made clear she would see them as British if they actively try & fit in with the culture.

I'm Jewish, with the scars to prove it, and I didn't find it at all offensive. It's human behaviour to find patterns and to judge based on that.

Well, fair enough. However, some people were offended and they're not wrong to say so.

And yet 'Free Palestine' is only ever shouted at Jews (I'm talking when it's directed at people as opposed to plain chants at a march).

I don't think they are, by any means. In fact, I have never heard it levelled against Jewish people, only against Muslims. But then I live in an area that has few Jewish people, and loads and loads of Muslims.

I think if you read the previous post, I did use Pakistan as an example. I could go to Pakistan raise a white baby there and I would consider them to have Pakistani nationality, whilst still having white ethnicity. Feel free to switch Pakistan in that example with any of the other countries you refer to.

Not treating women and girls like chattels, and not wanting to murder jews would be a good place to start.

Wow!

Do you think that's good? There is ethnic variation in India for one, the long running Anglo Indian minority.

Are you saying it's OK for a person to assume the nationality as long as they have grown up & integrated etc? You said you did - but now are you saying that we should be more like Somalia etc?

The government, who talk about "British values" have yet been able to give a definition of what it even means. Fitting in with who?

Why ffs?

He was a terrorist threat, they acted quickly.

Western values come from the (Judeo-Christian) teachings of the Bible.

Well, the terrorist was trying to murder people while the police officer was trying to stop them being murdered. The terrorist was responsible for forcing the men from the synagogue to blockade the door and then making the police think he was about to detonate a suicide bomb in front of it. Poor police officer, having to live with the unintentional killing.

To be fair, aid is always stolen, in any situation, anywhere in the world. The aid organisations know this. It makes their lives harder, but it doesn't stop them distributing the aid, as it gets through to many people all the same. Israel's aid distribution was far more problematic.

There are how many Jews today here? A few hundred thousand? Maybe 350k?

Versus 4 million plus Muslims.

The Government owe it to the Jewish people to protect them more. They are in the minority! Also, they cannot be seen to put votes above minority protection. Labour need to do more!

So you think...

So you think we should keep a strictly ethnic definition of English? Interesting....

Why?

Also the Security Services - why are they not checking on someone who has the name Jihad from birth. Is that not alarm bell 101?
Generally speaking our security services are excellent, but this one I do not understand.

Just fuck off with the whole “Islamophobia is worse” bollocks. This is the perfect example of what the problem is. I stand with the Jewish community today. I have donated to the CST - the group that provides volunteer guards outside Jewish schools and synagogues.

Antisemitism has no place in our society - it should be robustly addressed. Anti semites use the idea of anti Zionism as a cloak to hide behind - but we can see the vitriolic hatred against Jews being spewed on marches, and the dancing and jubilation in last nights “protests”. We are not fucking blind, we see you and your hatred.

we would be idiots if we were not afraid of Islamic extremists - they are a danger to us all. We were afraid of the IRA bombings in the 70’s - I lived through them, I was evacuated from tube stations, heard bombs go off, didn’t shop with my baby dd in the west end at Christmas. Terrorists cause fear and terror, that’s the point. Our current problem is not with the IRA it’s with radical Islamists who hate all of the west, but hate Jews more.

As an Irish catholic I had no problem condemning the IRA. decent people condemn terrorism. No equivocation or whataboutery.