To think the Manchester terrorist attack today shows the growing Anti-Semitism

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... and how Jews are not protected in this country.

So "white" people protesting about immigration is to blame for a Muslim man attacking Jewish people - that's quite a stretch.

No justification for violence.

The Jews in the UK have nothing to do with the Israeli government.

I think an objective bystander would say they’re right to be concerned about immigration given what’s happened.

I'm from Northern Ireland. I will let you fill the gaps in.

I’m not being at all selective. Look at my previous posts and you can see that I am equal opportunities in my condemnation.

And there are several posters - including one I hugely disagree with re their denial of the Gazan genocide - who also didn’t see that post as intentionally offensive.

So off you trot with your dog whistle.

Absolute nonsense.

I agree with you wholeheartedly OP. It is a shocking and depressing state of affairs. My Jewish friends are in turmoil.

I remember Jewish children on their way home from school having trouble well before 2023. It’s not just events in Gaza.

This is why talking online can be so depressing sometimes.

When people come together in person, they are much more willing to find commonalities.

Nothing weird about noticing we didn't have problems of this nature 70 years ago. Or that they've gone through the roof in the past 20-30 years. When did the indiginous people of Britain consent to any of this?

I said on the other thread that, along with the planned terrorist attacks in Germany, I think there is Hamas orchestration behind those protests and their timing. Terrorist money and planning is linked to a lot of the protests, activists, NGOs, campaign groups and charities in the west. Ex-jihadists have admitted as much. They are the infiltrators and propaganda wing of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood (who, let's not forget, we're literally allied with the Nazis and planning to exterminate all the Jews in North Africa and the Middle East).

I think the issue is WHICH Muslims. The US has mainly westernised, and more liberal-minded ones. Whereas we have many sectarian ones from fundamentalist areas of Pakistan etc

As I said, Islam has been getting more hardline with the promotion of Salafi & Wahhabi schools, which places like Saudi are deliberately exporting here. Thus people are getting more fundamentalist, not less. If they were exporting moderate forms or sects like Sufis or Ahmaddiyas, it wouldn't be such an issue.

I haven't got a clue what that dog whistle is supposed to be, so if you're seeing something, you're seeing it as you are, not as I am. Astonishing that you post stuff like this and think you are in a position to lecture about kindness and positivity, but there you go.

I'm sure some people didn't see the post as offensive, but others did, including the people it was about, and they're entitled to say so. You don't fool anyone with your positive and loving and kind demands that they shut up because you don't like it.

I don't think there is necessarily a massive growth in anti Semitism particularly as a growing acceptance of outward intolerance to anyone who isn't non-white British.
It seems like it is accepted that people can spout hateful comments and show their intolerance to others and that in turn stirs up hate from the other side of things.
There will always be some level of dislike between people from certain religions/races to others. But basically hate marches have become regular. It's not a surprise to me that something like this has happened.
It's often Muslims/mosques that get attacked, then this fuels anger within some people in those communities and then some of them will lash out at whoever they decide is the problems. And so on and so forth.
There is a need for discussions around Israel and Gaza, and it shouldn't be stripped down to Jews Vs Muslims, it is Israel Vs Gaza. What hamas did on Oct 7th was horrendous but so is starving the entire of Gaza when you should be going after hamas not just ordinary citizens

This polarisation is the problem, making the entire of one community to be made out to be the villain/victims with no nuance is constantly putting fuel on the fire

Can’t imagine why cough Gaza cough 🙄

You've illustrated something, but not what you think you have.

If what has happened in London had happened anywhere else in the world, it would be called ethnic cleansing.

You’ll get a ton of replies asking with faux naivety what ‘indigenous Brits’ means, and the very same people will have no problem grasping the concept of ‘indigenous Palestinians’ and saying this makes them inherently entitled to ‘their’ land

Yes, like I say Qatar etc are pushing it to US unis.

Like this fine fellow Mahmoud Khalil.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Khalil_(activist)

I agree entirely, my brother lives in the US and it is different with regards to the Muslim population. Thank you for pointing that out, an important factor.

There is a growing anti- everyone right now.

Anti-muslims
Anti- foreigners
Anti- trans people
Anti- immigrants, legal or not
Anti- insert your own here

It's terrible what's happened in Manchester but I also feel we live in disharmony with each other, and everyone seems unhappy with their lot. Hence the flags, the marches, Nigel F, the discussions here ...

No wonder there are so many people with mental health issues as we're being exposed to all this negativity and loss of trust for each other.

Our poor kids have no hope in the world if we cannot live in harmony together as a society. People will get angrier at each other/the government etc... Kids will grow angry, feeling they've been victimised. They'll carry on taking it on scapegoats and not trying to make things better.

Very worrying indeed.

Stop. It is an issue.

But ethnic cleansing is murder or forcible movement. People moving due to demographics are under pressure but not forcibly moved as in actual ethnic cleansing (Armenian genocide, eg)

Areas of New York city that were very diverse have become gentrified and then mainly white. Was that also ethnic cleansing in your book?

Yes you have had this problem, and for a longer than merely 70 years ago.

Remember the Huguenots? They were French Protestants fleeing Catholic persecution in the 16th–17th centuries and came to the UK.

They were skilled in trades and welcomed for that but English people resented them for their success and for job competition and blamed them for crime.

Ring any bells with you? It's the same with white Brits now accusing immigrants of being given free cars and free homes.

Which is more likley in the UK:- Being killed by a christian terrorist in the name of christianity, a jewish terroist in the name of judaism or an islamic one in the name of islam?
We are growing these people in the UK!
People need to wake up! The Jews have been telling us this will happen for years! Does it only matter if you are Jewish? No, see the thing is, it's the Jews now but then the rest of the kafir next. And then the moderate muslims need to worry because it will be them left. I dread to think what has to happen for everyone to get the memo. God help us 🙏

So your response to someone saying immigrants don't integrate is that you left when brown people moved in to your area?

I know.

But you can’t force it. Take Newham for example. It’s made up of so many different ethnicities and cultures, who will they all integrate with?

edited to say I quoted the wrong post. Meant to quote the reply to my post above.