To think the Manchester terrorist attack today shows the growing Anti-Semitism

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... and how Jews are not protected in this country.

I got the impression that her English is not super fluent which may have impacted the intended message.

A children’s class in a mosque was attacked in Glasgow

Im from Glasgow. I had no idea about this, I’ll need to look it up. Horrific.

It’s so sad and sickening what has happened at the synagogue. I hate how people -usually men - around the world can’t seem to control their emotions and feel the need to channel it in such acts of violence and terrorism whether it’s school or mall shootings, car rammings or bombs or assaults/rapes on people.

I agree with this. I used to live in a London working class community. People had been moving here and integrating for hundreds of years. My own ancestry shows that. This community wasn’t just white btw. I grew up with people of different colours and religions but they all integrated.
Then mass immigration happened in a short space of time, and people in the community started moving out. And then others followed to be with their community.
One day people will wonder where all the cockneys have gone but it will be too late.

My heart goes out to all the people affected by yesterday’s terrorist attack.

My contempt for the absolute scum protesting in Manchester hours later, holds no bounds.

Yes, I watch much less news now. Best to keep aware but the human brain was not designed for 24/7 stuff designed to make us worry and watch more.

And that is the same in all faiths! This pp seems to believe it of all Jews. There are many Muslim families that don’t integrate. I don’t generalise about them because I know many that do. There are many Christian families that don’t integrate. Why is it Jews who are always singled out for behaviours that exist in multiple faiths?!

Possibly, but the actual fact of asking whether Jews in general make friends with non Jews doesn't sound like a translation error to me.

At any rate, the post offended a lot of people, including Jewish people. Either the poster can dismiss us all as stupid and hateful and wrong, or she can reflect on what she said that was offensive and why so many of us understand her to have said X if she really, truly meant Y. We can't help her further than that.

Aside from Finsbury Park, the two terrorist murders targeting Muslims in the UK that I can recall were both carried out by ISIS-affiliated Muslims.

Who has said white brits shouldn't live together?

And painting white brits as the sole 'peaceful, law abiding and not trying to force dogmatic religion' group is just plum weird.

Ok, don’t be kind.

But at least understand that to someone who was clearly so affected by a small act of kindness as a child, the nastiness levelled at her on this thread is likely to change her.

You can’t hate the hate whilst doing nothing to address it. You might be sick if it - I know I am - but adding to the nastiness of discourse isn’t going to help.

People have written about this :

This documentary was a good insight into why it happened:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07czw5k&ved=2ahUKEwibqoTr3oeQAxVLdUEAHZfkJrsQFnoECEAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2MKAspcYUGOaef_OT8wF2u

All of those sudden Palestinian protests last night, let's call them what they are: racist.

Why did those protests suddenly happen on the same day of the murder of Jewish people?

People use the excuse of Palestine to be racist, the same people aren't the slightest bit bothered by the treatment of the Uhighars in China.

I don't have a 'simplistic' understanding of anything thanks. Except for people who deny that this is anything other than genocide. And Netenyahu is a c*. I hope that is clear enough to understand. Are you ok with tiny children being bombed to death on a daily basis?

I agree with you on this. Breaking barriers has to start somewhere. The poster seemed well-meaning to me,( who knows on the internet tho?) Hopefully they will be welcoming to any Jewish people they meet in the future.

I don’t think she was generalising, I think she was specifying. She was talking about Jews - asking a question.

On the one hand, this thread is full of people lambasting the whataboutery and here we have someone cross because a poster was too specific.

Wild.

Islam is, generally speaking, largely incompatible with western values and society. It is possible to blend the two, and some have managed to do so very well, but not a large enough percentage to prevent the serious damage to our society. And it isnt a case of giving it more time, the problem is becoming demonstrably worse as time goes on. The experiment has failed. To speak this truth is NOT any kind of 'ism' or 'phobia' and those words have been weaponised and used to silence for far too long.

Reread her post but reverse the religions and see if it comes across as well meaning.

Are you ok with Islamic terrorists killing Jews?

If it happened in a, for example, a Catholic church then no one would be described as Catholic. That would be what was taken as read.

The description would be of the different citizens in the Church. British, French, Italian, Hong Kongers, Ethiopians etc etc. and this wouldn't be followed with the word 'Catholic'.

What is taken as read from the newspaper reports is that it was a building full of Jews, which didn't need saying as it is a synagogue. Not a building full of Brits or other nationalities.

These people are defined as Jews first, British second. Not the other way round. The message isn't that they are British but with a different religion, it is that they are an entirely separate sub-set of people who happen to have been born and live in Britain.

That post was nastiness in the discourse and it upset some of our Jewish posters and offended others. They and we are entitled to respond. Your sanctimony would land better if it weren't so selective.

Agreed. I've had the good fortune to have experienced extraordinary acts of kindness from every group - white, black, brown, Sikh, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu etc.

I remember each and every kindness. Whenever I despair at the hatred shown yesterday in Manchester and by the likes of Tommy Robinson, I remind myself that good people exist in every group.

It doesn't hurt anyone to focus on individual acts of kindness.

What about the firebombing of Germany by the Allies? Or the Blitz? Or the bombing (NOT nuclear,, regular bombs) of Tokyo?

Do you understand that bombs often kill civilians who are not the intended target?

War is horrible, you can protest the bombs as immoral.
But it's no more genocide than the bombings in any other way.

I watched that documentary when it came out and it was not far from where I lived. Just sad all round really.

Which bit was nasty?

Yes, if only immigration had continued to be slow etc. But it is what it is. UK now has to prioritise integration.