To think the Manchester terrorist attack today shows the growing Anti-Semitism

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... and how Jews are not protected in this country.

No it hasn’t.

Many of us - including Jews - abhor the genocide without holding anyone other than the Israeli government accountable for it.

We also abhor the murderous horror of 7/10 and the continued kidnapping of Israelis, as well as all the other hideous crimes perpetuated by Hamas.

We are even intelligent enough to realise those things do not mean all Jews or Muslims are hateful people.

What’s the relevance? Many Jewish schools accept non Jews.
The point made was that Jews “segregate themselves” into Jewish schools and Muslims don’t. This clearly isn’t the case. There are more Muslim schools.

My daughter attended a school in north London that was predominantly Muslim families with poor English, so although the school did brilliantly in supporting those children to learn English and achieve, it was to the detriment of the 5 or so mother tongue English kids in the class. We pulled our daughter out of it. She’s mixed race. We had no issues with her going to the school other than lack of support/challenge. It was not however a “Muslim school” despite being 80% Muslim, and I suspect there are many more similar.

Fucking hell mate! Are you taking the piss???????

Yes, there are knobs everywhere, they should be avoided.

It’s when people generalise about an entire group of people that it becomes problematic.

Apparently the perpetrator was granted uk citizenship at 16 according to the BBC. Presumably, under Reforms plans, if he had lived he could have had his citizenship revoked and been deported?

We do need to take this conversation further though than just looking at new immigrants. Many second and third generation are the ones being radicalised on our own shores. We need a much broader conversation about how this is happening, how people can be better integrated by removing some of the barriers of integration. We need a conversation about multiculturalism and whether this is the best model in which people of different origins can co-exist. Whether the emphasis on multiculturalism rather than integration has resulted in a larger breakdown of society, the need for a common culture, dominant rites and traditions would actually be a much better model

Sending a 🫂. We need to watch out for people like this poster irl & stamp on this radicalisation so that people like you do not need to feel afraid. It's horrible.

What? You don't think Jewish people make friends often with non Jews? You have to ask whether it happens much?

With a viewpoint like that, I'm not sure I trust anything you have to say about integration.

I dont view all Jewish people as bad.

How noble of you!

I just saw this. Absolutely wild!

I’m sorry. What that is poster is writing has no place here.

And I don't agree with that at all. There should be no"....but...." I do however think it's really important to put out facts here. The Jews are not the only group facing these risks. I only mentioned this in response to a poster saying no other group gets told this. And people saying "getting a taxi is not not like getting murdered!" Well, of course it isn't, no one said it was equal. There is a risk to life and that is why they are being told to stay indoors/not congregate/get escorted to work.
Sending peace and love 💐

As a second generation British Jew who has no link to Israel, I find your last paragraph here absolutely fucking terrifying. How am I meant to keep my children safe if this is true? And I believe you when you say it is. And that you are totally fine with it.

It absolutely is terrifying

This is the problem. Killing Jews is always somehow justified. From poisoning wells, using children’s blood in our food, for being rich, for being not white enough, for needing a country, for defending our children. Always there’s a reason or excuse. That’s antisemitism. Right here in black and white on this very forum. Bnei Zonot kulhem.

The Gaza conflict might well be the reason given for this appalling act of terrorism. But it should never be given in such a way as to appear to justify it. It should be condemned completely, same as any other act of terrorism.

And this isn’t the day to be talking about the reasons behind the attacks, we should be standing with the Jewish community in this country as they come to terms with what’s happened.

I personally believe we should ban faith schools. I know in some areas faith schools are the best options academically so that's hard...that needs to change.

Buy otoh if we just banned Muslim schools that would be unfair.

The problem is that in places like Bradford teens are growing up with mainly Muslim schools, Muslim friends...how cam they integrate if all they know are other Muslims?

I suppose a compromise would be that Muslim schools by law have to take a quota of non Muslims. But how many would want their kids to go to a Muslim school?

I believe schools etc that enable parallel non integrated communities are a big part of the problem.

What questions? I don’t think I’ve ignored anything but feel free to ask again.

If people wanted to integrate, they would 🤷‍♀️ it’s entirely natural for people to want to live among people they feel are likeminded and share their way of life, it’s just it’s only racist when it’s white Brits saying this (and by ‘likeminded’ they don’t even mean white - just peaceful, law abiding and not trying to force dogmatic religion at everyone all the time).

I'm thinking that pp probably is thinking of very practicing Jews like the Haredi who keep more to themselves often.

Most Jews are secular here so it seems an odd comment unless she meant Ultra Orthodox ones

War doesn't target civilians.

Bombing of Dresden?

Many of us - including Jews - abhor the genocide without holding anyone other than the Israeli government accountable for it.

You can't really be unaware that many people are blaming jewish people for the Isreal governments actions.

I agree with this and KS should never have sided with Hamas by recognising Palestine as a state whilst they were in charge. I think these murders are partly on him. He was warned something like this could happen but chose to go ahead anyway. His wife is Jewish and I don't know how she can bare to be married to him, especially after this.

The fact that she didn't know they are only one part of the British Jewish community again suggests that she is not in a position to lecture about integration.

I'm not aware of any social or societal problems the Haredi cause anyway.

THIS

@ThatCyanCat ”don’t view all Jewish as bad” I was hoping the readers could infer. Knowing I’m muslim, one would assume we all hate Jewish people. I was highlighting me don’t!
I was asking about Jewish people making friends specifically with Muslims or even if not that, how on a grass root level you tried? Eg I have a neighbour which (I assumed was a bit right wing) I say hello and I post a Xmas card through his door once a year. It’s my way of reaching out .

like I said, I live in a city where there is no large Jewish community. I’ve HEARD certain things so my way of reaching out is asking the community on here, what do you do?

You're missing the point. The younger generation's views are shaped in childhood & adolescence. If all they know are fundamentalist Muslims, how will they integrate? If parents are discouraging their kids from integrating we need to take steps to promote it

We can't just say if they want to they will, that's abdicating responsibility to prevent the cycle continuing.

Don’t tell me to behave myself, I’m not your child.

I was pointing out the logical fallacy of suggesting Israel’s actions are in some way justified because the Jews were kicked off the land.

I was making the same point you were to the previous poster. If you’re going to be patronising, at least make sure your comprehension is on point.