To think the Manchester terrorist attack today shows the growing Anti-Semitism

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... and how Jews are not protected in this country.

Yes I think the growth of the far right is absolutely because of the absolute joke of a government we've had for the last couple of decades who've consistently eroded the standard of living in this country, made catastrophic fiscal errors, lined the pockets of the rich and taken us all for mugs and got the various groups of disadvantaged to blame each other. The rich have got steadily richer in this time, and life for the poor has got increasingly more difficult, this pattern always gives way to blame cultures, scapegoating and political extremes...for example like the wiemar Republic in 1930s Germany.

Just like holding every member of the Jewish faith responsible for the actions of a few is also deeply unhealthy.

I had no idea it was so prolific though.

Not underplaying this at all, but 8 years ago - that’s quite a while to go without a terrorist attack - since then we have had 11 Islamic terror attacks. Eleven.

I will point out there have been 2 ‘failed’ attacks on Muslims since then - which presumably didn’t make the news in the same way as nobody died.

But as you can see, Islamic terror far outstrips Islamophobic terror in terms of numbers.

@Strangerthanfictions I'm confused as you agreed with my post but then started talking about cost of living.

Agreed. There are bad faith actors who don’t give two hoots about anyone but themselves but who will try to erase Islamophobia as a concept, much like the Republicans are trying to use the Charlie Kirk murder to silence Democrats.

They must he challenged every time.

I don’t know why I’m commenting because some of your posts are utterly horrifying. I bet you all the money that if a Jew had killed 2 people in a mosque during Ramadan these comments would be wildly different. Shame on any one who dares to justify the Islamic terror attack on my community during their day of worship. Condemn it, offer condolences. Stand up for us, support us, say not in my name. It just looks like Jewish lives don’t matter because we don’t deserve your compassion. Bunch of vile hypocrites. I should be shocked but I’m not.

I am well aware of the history.

It doesn't come across

Don’t assume everyone on the internet is uneducated. That’s foolish.

I can only judge by the posts people write 🤷🏻‍♀️

I agree. Look at all the ‘not in my name’ marches and support that happens when there is an attack on other demographics. I would really like to see this now.

I feel no shame.
You are the one childishly calling names.
I, as British and of Jewish decent, am within my right to fear a religion that seem to produce terrorists and peddle hate towards the country that take them in. So dont tell me how I should feel. It's very rational fear.

Can you point out any Muslims being targeted by Jews? How many murders happened in mosques on Day of Arafah? This was targeted and specific.

Feeling free to voice previously hidden antisemitism IS the definition of increased antisemitism in the UK.

People can think what they like, it is when they voice it, and act on it, it becomes a problem. So yes antisemitism has increased.
It has also increased because some people are so thick they can't separate the country of Israel with the religion of Judaism. So they attack anyone Jewish for the actions of Israel.

The government has never addressed this. They always refers to 'British Jews' as if they are separate from other Brits Jews first and British second. Rather than British people who happen to be Jewish. Which is odd as, unlike other religions, there aren't many first generation Jews moving to the UK these day.

You never hear of 'British Catholics' and let's face it in British history this has caused the most grief (to date).

Yeah but it also works in reverse. I remember my very secular, professional Muslim colleague raised their entire life in the UK (we went out drinking a lot together lol) mentioning that the Charlie Hebdo staff deserved what they got. I think they felt emboldened to say it because it was a very Muslim-heavy group, sadly nobody pushed back.

…. I quietly ended the friendship.

War doesn't target civilians.

War criminals do.

To be clear, absolutely nothing justifies the terror attack on the synagogue yesterday. Nothing at all. You cannot pretzel logic your way into a position that says, innocent people in Gaza are dying so innocent people in the UK should die too. It's a perfectly ridiculous argument.

However - the actions of the Israeli government have been officially classed as genocide by the UN, and there is a warrant out for Netenyahu and Gallest's arrests to answer to charges of war crimes. Denying these facts is also perfectly ridiculous.

How do you think the world would be if we all tried to return to land that was occupied by groups 100s of years ago?? You can't just do that?? The Romans can reclaim England? Behave yourself it's utter nonsense

I agree with every word of this.

I am also struggling to articulate my discomfort with starting a thread in AIBU of all places, which is known for inviting disagreement and goading, encouraging a debate of the topic, then saying see, told you so.

You have a simplistic understanding.. as I said upthread it is awful so many civilians die but very hard to avoid high civilian casualties.

Israel were attacked by Hamas, and Hamas are using civilians as human shields. It is very hard to bomb Hamas without hurting civilians.

Israel have probably taken big steps to minimise civilian casualties.

Hamas are stealing food aid. Israel is sending it.

Genuine question:- how do the Jewish community try to integrate to all areas of society? Any out reach etc to break down stereotypes? I don’t mean just going and making a speech, but actually having friends and making friendships with those from all other communities? (I don’t live in a city where there is a large Jewish community, so I wouldn’t know) I would love to know anyone responding, how many friends you have of Muslim faith? What have you ever done to try and make friends?

I think it’s important to mix and make friendship’s from all communities to help break down these negative stereotypes. Do you post a card through your neighbours doors to wish them a happy Eid etc? (I post Diwali card and Christmas cards . I’m lucky to live in a mixed community. I don’t know anyone openly Jewish. If I did, I would do exactly the same. ) Do your faith leaders work with other faith leaders? I think it’s important ALL people of faith and none should make an effort to have friendships from all communities. It’s a small but significant step all of us could take.

As a Muslim myself, I was deeply saddened by what happened. It was unislamic and pointless. You don’t improve relationships by killing each other! He did no favours for our community either and I will now receive hate because of it (!)

I dont view all Jewish people as bad. Why? Because of an experience I had as a child. (I didn’t at the time realise how significant it was at the time, but as an adult I do and it has stuck with me)
when I was younger, there was a girl in our class from Israel named Dana. (I was 10 and my parents had never said anything horrible about Israel and Jews so , to me she was just another girl - with a lovely tan)
anyway, she had a sister called Noah (younger than her) her dad I think was over studying at the local uni. She played with us in the playgrounds, taught us how to play “five stone”. Showed us pictures of her family mango farm in Israel.
one day my mum forgot to pick me up (something happened at home)
I was alone in the playground (this was from a time when there were no school gates. And Dana parents waited with me until someone came to collect me. (I wore ethnic clothing I was the only girl in my class that was brown) No one else. Just Dana parents. That act has stuck with me for life and I refuse to hate all Jewish people for what is happening in the Middle East. This is what I mean by those small acts that we all can do in communities to break down stereotypes and build relationships.
Changing things at grass roots level.

Don’t be ridiculous.

Starner does not support Hamas, he recognises Palestine’s right to exist.

And no old biddy is being locked up for criticising Israel - there’s enough shit going in without you making it up.

I hear you.

Totally agree. The number of naive fools on these pro Palestine protests sickens me.
This attack was always going to happen in today’s anti semetic culture. People need to really research the issues, not take the propaganda on social media at face value.

We need to be a bit wary of the UN.Anti Semitic countries like Saudi Arabia are pushing particular agendas there.

Israeli drones hover over children then take them out. They really, really aren't minimised civilian casualties.

Does not justify yesterday though.

It’s not true. I understand why you believe that but it’s not.

I dont hold every member responsible. And I dont hate or even dislike individuals.
Read what I've written. I hate the religion. Not people.

As a second generation British Jew who has no link to Israel, I find your last paragraph here absolutely fucking terrifying. How am I meant to keep my children safe if this is true? And I believe you when you say it is. And that you are totally fine with it.