To think that if you commit a male crime, you should do male time, even if you identify as a woman?

[TheAvidAmberPeer]

I know this is a sensitive topic but I’ve been thinking about how justice systems handle trans women who commit serious crimes, especially violent or sexual offences, and whether it’s fair to house them in women’s prisons. To me, if you were born male and commit a crime typically associated with male offenders, particularly one involving violence against women, it seems like common sense that you should serve time in a male facility. Identity doesn’t erase biology or risk in those cases.

AIBU to think fairness and safety, especially for vulnerable female prisoners, should come before ideology?

Prisons?

yes yes it is. If it’s so upsetting to use the toilets of their birth sex, they are perfectly able to use unisex facilities. I mean, if I was an evil, nasty person like the ex CEO of ERC, I’d tell them to “reframe their trauma”. Or if I was like some posters on here, I’d say their trauma was not real and should be ignored.

Ok cool. So can you stop pretending you care about trans men please? Because we can all read what you just wrote.

Thanks.

How does recommending distressed people seek help and legal redress show a lack of care? I’m happy they get their sex based rights to abortion care, and are in no danger of having to go to men’s prisons. You’re the one who seems rather upset with the SC ruling.

I’m happy they get their sex based rights to abortion care

which is a resolution to a problem that never existed, except in the fantasies of people like you. Trans men always had access to abortion.

Meanwhile , you dismiss the actual devastating impacts of this ruling - the things that matter to trans men, the things that are affecting their lives now, with comments such as they "never had the right" (sue the people who told them they did), and profoundly obnoxious suggestions like "seek psychological help".

I have better things to do today than engage in this exchange. It's not worthy of my time nor respect.

I wish you a good weekend and hope that you will reflect on what you want to stand for in the world, and what you are knowledgeable to speak on.

Thank you.

But didn’t you do the same to women who were distressed having to share single sex spaces with males? Would you like me to get the quote? You said their trauma was not as important as that of the trans identified males. You told rape survivors their trauma was not important. To be honest, I’m actually surprised anyone engages with you. That was horrible abd nasty to see.

People are either male or female - a man cannot identify as a woman because he has no idea what he's identifying with.

To be clear. This is false.

Wish you a good day.

You declaring your words are not transphobic means nothing.

I have made no such declaration.

Throwing the "transphobic" slur at me means nothing. It has lost its power to hurt. I feel no need to defend my beliefs.

You are becoming more and more desperate as your argument falls apart in the face of biological reality.

Far from "throwing a meaningless slur" I explained how your words are transphobic. They are transphobic because they demonstrate profound ignorance, loathing, contempt, dismissal, disgust, and fear of trans women.
i have no desire to hurt you, but it's important that we name this type of hate speech when we see it.

Let's review again:

"[they] are motivated by a sexual fetish"
"some of those men are dangerous". "Even the ones who aren't a direct danger have no right to use non-consenting women as props to play out their sexual fantasies".
It is not... to fear or feel repulsed by such men.
A man can wear a dress and a wig if he wants to and I'll even call him Nancy, if he insists, but I will never refer to him as she/her or treat him as if he was a woman. And he can stay the fuck out of real women's spaces."

I'm telling the truth as I see it. If that hurts your feelings, that's unfortunate, but it doesn't change anything.

Prisons?

I hear how you see "the truth" - seeped in loathing and prejudice. What you say doesn't hurt my feelings, but it is harmful. All forms of hate speech are harmful and cannot stand without challenge.

Could answer my question about prisons?

I believe that each decision should be made based on individual assessment , taking into account the safety and wellbeing of the convicted person, as well as the other inmates. I understand this is pretty much current practice.

I believe that keeping inmates safe is entirely compatible with recognising , respecting and including trans people in society at large. There is no conflict or wider problem here.

I believe this conversation- about prisons- is for the most part propaganda - at best a distraction, at worse yet another attempt to depict trans people as dangerous, criminal (sexual) predators- whipped up by anti-trans groups to promote a wider agenda that has nothing to do with genuine concern for the safety of incarcerated people.

I would argue that it would never under any circumstances be safe to send a biological female however she may identify into the male prison estate.

And yes you are correct I do not care one bit about men who are upset because society won't go along with their fiction. I do however care about women.

Being trans is not "a fiction".

If you care about trans men , you are most misguided in your opinions about how to protect them. If you care about women I suggest you read the thread that's going on right now about the woman who was harassed at the gym.

Agree 100%.

Men go in men's prisons. Women go in women's prisons. It's not difficult.

All prisons have sections and procedures to protect vulnerable prisoners. There is no need for any man to be in a women's prison.

If it's not a fiction then you should be arguing that "trans men" should be sent to the male prison estate under all circumstances.

Identify as Zebedee if you want,got a penis off to the male clink with you.

How is it hate speech to point out that some trans women are dangerous? We know there are violent trans women, it would be ludicrous to pretend otherwise.

It isn't hate speech. Tandora wants ts you to believe that though, because they want you to stop talking about it and give men everything they want.

Basically zero transwomen pass. It's in the gait, the hips, the male jaw, limb length, voice, hand and feet size, etc etc. None of these can be altered. It's delusional to say any pass.

This is Barbie Khardashian, just released from prison in Ireland. Barbie has a GRC, so it is his legal right in Ireland to use women's sex spaces.

https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/irish-crime/dangerous-sex-offender-barbie-kardashian-is-all-smiles-as-she-walks-free-from-jail/a1415710318.html

But it is apparently 'hate speech' to point out that this man is a threat to women

Of course this is hate speech. Imagine this conversation was about any other category of person based eg a particular race, nationality, or such like:

"[they] are motivated by a sexual fetish"
"some of those men are dangerous". "Even the ones who aren't a direct danger have no right to use non-consenting women as props to play out their sexual fantasies".
It is not hatred to fear or feel repulsed by such men.
A man can wear a dress and a wig if he wants to and I'll even call him Nancy, if he insists, but I will never refer to him as she/her or treat him as if he was a woman. And he can stay the fuck out of real women's spaces."