To think that if you commit a male crime, you should do male time, even if you identify as a woman?

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I know this is a sensitive topic but I’ve been thinking about how justice systems handle trans women who commit serious crimes, especially violent or sexual offences, and whether it’s fair to house them in women’s prisons. To me, if you were born male and commit a crime typically associated with male offenders, particularly one involving violence against women, it seems like common sense that you should serve time in a male facility. Identity doesn’t erase biology or risk in those cases.

AIBU to think fairness and safety, especially for vulnerable female prisoners, should come before ideology?

But surely any man who enters female single sex spaces against the law is a predator and there for nefarious purposes. Why else would a man enter a female single sex spaces against the when he knows this is against the law and may cause women distress. I mean, by your analogy, a burglar is totally ok to enter someone’s house if he wants to, even though he knows it’s against the law.

Ah. Please can you give me a list of words thst are considered profoundly hurtful. I know you find the word “no” difficult, but what others are there? Also, men are not allowed in female single sex spaces, even if they claim to be women.

Some black men are criminals/predators too. And?

And yet it would be flagrantly racist to suggest that someone speaking about Black Lives Matter was therefore supporting the rights of predators.

If someone said this a perfectly reasonable retort would be to challenge the racist stereotype/ generalisation- eg "black people are not predators. This is racism".

The Righteous has already confirmed on the other thread that they don't accept that Wrongthinkers (aka partially-sentient service bipeds) can even have non-approved emotions.

Please can you give me a list of words thst are considered profoundly hurtful

No.

This is confusing rights and safeguarding

Rights are not taken from whole groups because some predators exist within them. That's correct.

However safeguarding does take decisions on the basis of likely risk.

This issue is not about rights. There is no human right for a man to use the intimate spaces of women.

This issue is about safeguarding. Women's single sex spaces were established because, unfortunately, men constitute a much higher risk to women than women to women or women to men. Single sex spaces are necessary for women's safety and dignity.

So the question remains, on what grounds would we make exceptions for this one group of men? There is no evidence they are less of threat to women than other men, we already know there are predators within this group. There is absolutely zero justification for making an exception for them.

Oh yes. And that rape survivors who would find sharing spaces with trans identified males extremely traumatising, were not going to be as traumatised as the men denied entry to those spaces. I found that particularly disgusting.

Rights are not taken from whole groups because some predators exist within them. That's correct.

thank you.

It would only be reasonable if someone had said ALL black people are predators. No one has said this. Just like no one has said ALL black people aren’t predators because some, are.

So, we’ll try again. You said trans people aren’t predators. Blanket statement.

How. Do. You. Explain. The. Ones. Who. Are? I can give you a few names if you’re struggling?

please read posts above. It would be a perfectly reasonable retort to challenge the racist generalisation/ stereotype, regardless of the word "ALL". It doesn't need to include the word "all" to be very evidently a flagrantly racist association/ generalisation to equate support for Black Lives Matter to support for "predators".

I have. You still haven’t explained how ALL trans people aren’t predators when there’s evidence to the contrary, or, like I’ve asked for now the third time, how do you explain the ones who have been convicted of serious offences including sexual crimes.

If other people acknowledging reality causes people distress and trauma, they need significant mental health support, don’t they?

Assss above .

Could you be more specific?

to quote you: no.

This, absolutely.

So you can’t answer as you know fine well there’s trans predators. So you avoid addressing your lie.

Thanks, it’s all there for people to see. Maybe don’t make blanket false statements lies in future.

Excellent. Well in that case I am unable to respond to your question as it's impossibly vague.
For the best as we've been down this road many times and you are impervious to any challenge of your ideology.

ive answered you above. The failure to grasp the response is a you problem that I am unable to resolve.

The fact that it even needs to be said is ridiculous. Men cannot become women. Women cannot become men. If necessary, a third space.

You answering something I’ve not asked is very
much a you problem.

Explain trans predators. Do you want a few names? It’s very simple.

By not fighting for third spaces it’s almost like trans people are saying they don’t exist, which is literal violence

Ok. I've read this. It's very general and doesn't go into specifics.

You’re the one with the ideology @Tandora and I have no idea what you get out of being shown to be wrong so many times across so many threads.

I guess people are going to keep on innocently saying them in ignorance of their profoundly hurtful nature then. Not very civic minded of you to keep that knowledge from us @Tandora