Starmer thinks I am an enemy of the state

[Bumblebee72]

So we have it Starmer has declared at conference because I support Reform I am now an enemy of his Government.

Who would have thought it, a middle class British worker, now an enemy in the country I was born. And they say Reform is the party of Fascists. Yet we also now have the Home Secretary saying "In solving this crisis, you may not always like what I do. We will have to question some of the assumptions and legal constraints that have lasted for a generation and more". Maybe the Home Secretary too will be deemed an enemy of the state.

Am I being unreasonable to think this should be seen as a rallying cry to get this Government out at the first opportunity.

This!

With logic like this I’m beginning to see why we’re in the state we are.

A minority right wing party.

I find it utterly remarkable that our government have learnt nothing from our own political history nor from the recent USA election.

Telling people that you want to vote for you, that they are thick and racist is not a winning strategy. It contributed to Brexit, to the rise of Reform and to the Labour party bleeding support and letting the Tories in again before Lockdown, and whilst Labour won the last election, that was due to the Tories being rejected rather than Labour being chosen.

Democrats calling people they needed to vote for them deplorables and fascists and nazis did not help them Hilary Clinton or Kamala Harris in their USA elections either.

How are left wing politicians so thick that they keep doing this?

Stop fucking ignoring people, start listening to them and their concerns and then maybe they will want to vote for you.

But instead Labour have chosen to insult the people they need to vote for them, so hello Reform, welcome to Government.

Labour, honestly, you are absolute idiots.

@Bumblebee72 - why don't you listen again to his speech and actually try understanding it?

He gave a story of when he went into some elderly woman's house who he had been told was a 'far right supporter" and he was baffled why she started showing him photos of herself at an Indian wedding.

It was only later, after he left, that it dawned in him what she had been trying to do - that she was a working class woman who felt she needed to prove to a Labour politician she wasn't racist.

She had lived in the same street all her life. Of course the "I'm not racist me, look I've even got black / Muslim / whatever friends" would make most people cringe, but this was all she knew and the only way she could say it.

So when she then told him a story about how she didn't like it when some 'migrants' had been sitting on nextdoor's wall, spitting (or something like that), he could totally relate to her concern - her direct experience is understandable in HER context.

He agrees we need to get control of illegal immigration and understands people's valid concerns here need to be listened to.

But if you feel his calling out of people who hate someone just based on the colour of their skin - making no distinction between legal immigrants or people who live and work here - if you feel that applies to you, well, yes, you are racist and you are shameful.

So what exactly triggered you about the speech @Bumblebee72 ? Were you planning to paint racist graffiti? Hoping you could shout racism in the street and get away with it? What exactly?

I wouldn't be so certain. What makes you think that?

Why reform?

The far right are gaining support in Europe more than here because young people are fed up with woke left.

If you go far enough left you end up right!

1. What are your thoughts on Farage's plans to deport people who have indefinite leave to Remain?
2. Farage was hugely instrumental in getting the Leave vote over the line, how do you feel the UK has benefited economically from this?
3. What are your thoughts on Farage's intention to introduce a US style insurance scheme to replace the NHS?

As a Reform supporter you should be able to answer these and outline all the positive changes you think that Reform will bring.

You reform voters genuinely are the most clueless bunch. You don’t even know what you want or what you’re voting for.

I mean no, I didn’t realise that people were dumb enough to vote for being less prosperous but then as I said reform voters don’t know what they’re voting for … just as long as it’s against ‘migrants’. It’s Brexit 2.0.

I don't disagree, although I cannot answer for the accuracy of whether they had a meeting to attend or not, but I decided I would rather stay with a party whose views most closely align with my own than being defeatist about it. That would also be weak. The more women who join and speak up against the genderists, the stronger our voice becomes.

That's what labour are doing at the moment? Race to the bottom. Labour voters won't be happy until we are all on benefits except a mystical billionaire Nanny Starmer maybe then paying for everything.

I’m afraid that I view people who voted for Brexit as enemies. They directly contributed to the huge drop in my family’s quality of life and caused me to fear for the future of the country I call home. Reform are the same bunch, it’s mental that they are saying they’re the ones to fix an issue largely caused by them. I’m not going to go around being rude to people who don’t agree with me, and Labour have been disappointing, but Reform voters want to hurt me and my loved ones, what is an enemy if not that?

I hope you enjoy the next gov this much. No snowflake moments for you.

And let’s look at Brexit - the policy strongly supported by the reform guys

Is it ? Who knows what their policy is on Brexit ? Which is done and dusted anyway. What they gonna do ? Leave the EU again ?

But Farage's shtick is that he is anti-establishment and different to the likes of Johnson and Starmer.

It is strange that you and pp are defending Farage by saying he won't be who he says he is and won't do what he promises to do if he manages to slime his way into No. 10.

I don't support Reform but know people who do.
Reform are going OTT to put pressure on Labour to make changes.
They have got the public mood on their side because KS is always a step behind.

It’s absolute nonsense. Who’s it for anyway? A few mners.

Sigh
For years, Farage and some of the media have been pushing a false binary between "wanting open borders" and "being labelled a racist". Every time someone criticised racist/Islamaphobic rhetoric/anti-immigration sentiments this was interpreted as "being called racist for not wanting unchecked immigration". To be fair this wasn't helped by the Conservatives stirring up anti-immigrant sentiment AND also facilitating a large increase in migration. And Gordon Brown did say that thing about that woman in 2008 (before some posters on here could talk.)

But the endless argument has been that anyone "on the left" wants open borders. Anyone who doesn't like openly racist rhetoric "doesn't want to talk about immigration". Fear mongering that if Labour gets in they will fling the doors open. Then Labour gets in. They develop firmer laws on immigration. They also criticise divisive rhetoric and racism. Rather than realising "oh, it is possible to not have open borders, and not be a racist" you interpret it as "they must be copying the racists".

Wow. All those straw men that totally exist must be feeling pretty embarrassed right now.

Which of these things are you doing, OP?

He categorically did NOT say that you are an enemy of the state.

The fact that you think he did say that suggests that you have difficulties with basic comprehension skills.

I find myself wondering how much these difficulties impact on your voting intentions.

Reform would destroy the country.

Farage applauded Liz Truss' disaster budget
Farage made Brexit happen - and it was an utter waste of time and money with no actual benefits - was hugely and unnecessarily divisive, and even made the small boat problem he's now campaigning on far worse
Farage had meetings with the Russian Ambassador pre-Brexit and has praised Putin

He's a charlatan, if he ever got the keys to No10 it would be an utter disaster

And just out of interest, did you have a problem with Thatcher describing Labour and the organised working classes as ‘the enemy within’? No? I thought not…

Well of course look at where they are. They’re panicking. Reform is setting the agenda and they’re trying to get voters back.

I don't understand the results of this poll.

Reform, who I used to support, is not the answer sadly. They are all the same. Some other goverment will come in and try the digital ID all over again but with different reasons. They're goal is total control over the useless eaters they see us as.