Starmer thinks I am an enemy of the state

[Bumblebee72]

So we have it Starmer has declared at conference because I support Reform I am now an enemy of his Government.

Who would have thought it, a middle class British worker, now an enemy in the country I was born. And they say Reform is the party of Fascists. Yet we also now have the Home Secretary saying "In solving this crisis, you may not always like what I do. We will have to question some of the assumptions and legal constraints that have lasted for a generation and more". Maybe the Home Secretary too will be deemed an enemy of the state.

Am I being unreasonable to think this should be seen as a rallying cry to get this Government out at the first opportunity.

Yanbu he’s lost it. Panicking with fighting talk.

Honestly let them. They voted for Brexit and they’re worse off. Reform will just decimate them and ironically the minorities they’re so hoping will be kicked out will actually be fine. The latter will have access to other citizenships, funds and recourse to careers/jobs elsewhere. It will be the reform voters stuck here with a broken healthcare and welfare system expected to work more for a lot less.

Lol. I'm not sure. Whilst I'm choking on piss I'll take much comfort knowing the tories and the labour people's are choking too.

None of those call you or anyone else an enemy of the state.

This is what I don't understand.

Slagging off reform as fascists and their voters as racist is untrue, IMHO. Lying does not help, not least when it comes to identifying actual fascists and racists... but if reform are fascists and their supporters racists, and the aim is to reduce fascism and racism and retain power for labour, then the constant smearing is doing the opposite which is intended.

Saying something which half the country thinks is a lie and is acting against the interests of the other half by increasing support for reform is really stupid.

The scary thing is with the sentiment in the country as it is, were Starmer to come out against the death penalty for shoplifting or castration for sleeping on the streets half the country would probably end up supporting the death penalty for shoplifting or castration for sleeping on the streets. And to be honest given how smug, patronizing, soulless and annoying Starmer is I would not blame them.

Certainly not on MN. It is notoriously liberal.

In the real world the polls prove otherwise.

They won’t though. Just like Brexit. It’s the ones who voted for it that suffered the most and complained the most.

Kier Starmer couldnt fight his way out of a paper bag.

Yep. And Reform will decimate workers' right etc. Farage and his bankrollers will be raking in the money off the backs of the people who voted for them.

Look to Starmer’s speech not here. If he didn’t want to inflame politics cut out the ridiculous battle language.

I totally agree

But Shabana Mahmood is a pretty sharp operator at getting things done. She has been talking in a very similar way to Farage and has the authority as Home Secretary to get it done.

That’s consistent with what I’ve seen. The press are reporting that Farage, who wants to deport legal immigrants who have been here and contributed for many years, is an enemy.

Where does he say that voters, who rightly want to stop illegal immigration, are the enemy? Or do you support Farage’ plan to deport all immigrants?

Thats the crabs in a bucket mentality I was talking about!
It's not about making things better for you, it's about making things worse for everyone else.

Agreed. His recent speeches and statements are 'fighting talk.'

You do realize that -

(1) Some people would rather be poorer in a country that feels like the home it used to and less like the disunited mess they feel it has become

(2) There is no law to stop them thinking this way, nor is there some rule of the universe that says finanical welbeing trumps other aspects of wellbeing.

In fact some might say that the person who thinks money is everything is probably the person who's in the wrong.

Opponents are to be beaten.

Enemies are there to be killed.

You give them greater credit than I do.

Polls are a snapshot, not a prediction.

But that doesn't mean the majority of the electorate who don't support Reform can afford to be complacent. We are going to need to work together to keep that vile man out of No. 10.

Hey, Farage will never do any of those far right things IF he was ever in government .

His game is to draw attention to himself and Reform and he's baiting KS- who's fallen for it all by getting all worked up and defensive.

He spent more energy talking about Nigel than about what he will do.

Own goal I think?

Same way Johnson raked it in off the back of his voters. And Labour and their voters. And?

It’s the equivalent of we will vote for Brexit to stick it to the establishment… the establishment is doing just fine but how about you?

Reform supporter turns out to be a snowflake.

This is neither unreasonable, nor news.

I wonder if MNHQ could add a "No Shit Sherlock" forum ?

But we are giving immigrant young men more entitlement than our own citizens. An unemployed 24 year old who is a single man who has fallen
on hard times and is desperate would be very unlikely to be given a warm
place to sleep and food to eat if he rocked up at his local council office. He’d be fortunate if he was given a bed in a hostel, let alone being accommodated in a hotel for months on end.

Hitler gained power legally as a right wing party
let us remember that
see any similarities? Because I do