Starmer thinks I am an enemy of the state

[Bumblebee72]

So we have it Starmer has declared at conference because I support Reform I am now an enemy of his Government.

Who would have thought it, a middle class British worker, now an enemy in the country I was born. And they say Reform is the party of Fascists. Yet we also now have the Home Secretary saying "In solving this crisis, you may not always like what I do. We will have to question some of the assumptions and legal constraints that have lasted for a generation and more". Maybe the Home Secretary too will be deemed an enemy of the state.

Am I being unreasonable to think this should be seen as a rallying cry to get this Government out at the first opportunity.

Not at all. My definition hasn’t changed. By the way, PFI was a Tory initiative, the Blair government just ran with it. It was a very sensible concept, the problem was it was so poorly executed.

This is just semantics. At no cost to the patient is a mealy mouthed phrase designed to put people off the scent of what is actually happening. We are getting less for more with private provision. They might be helping with the backlog but the NHS will be paying through the nose for the services. As I already pointed out further up the thread, for every £3 being spent on treating cataracts in the private sector, the NHS is losing £2 of that money to profit. So two thirds less for two thirds more. So, yes there is a massive cost to the patient, well to the patients who are taxpayers.

You are just playing with semantics. Some of us are already living with purely private services anyway eg dentistry because there are 0 NHS options

Is it? Because he also said in January:

"We’ve got to identify a system of funding for healthcare that is more effective than the one we have currently got, and at the same time carries those who can’t afford to pay."

So is it free use or free use for those under a certain income? Free use if you're on UC? Under 18? Over 80?

I don't agree that the ship has sailed. There are many more people who oppose the far right than support them.

However, whether any of our politicians will be able to set aside their own egos and personal ambitions and their own tribal party political allegiances in favour of the greater good remains to be seen.

They haven't managed to do this previously, but if Reform continues on its current trajectory, the next election will be like no other. I would hope that the threat of a far right government might galvanise enough people to make a difference.

Only time will tell.

No they aren't and no it isn't. One is glib lies which will harm the less well-off, the other is a structured long-term plan to focus on prevention and free to access community services while widening service providers. The latter is a Malteser, the other is round ball of sheep poo but to the uninformed eye they may look the same. .

Remember Nick Griffin on Question Time. Bonnie Greer made mincemeat of him?

Sadly, Farage has the skill to make the unreasonable seem reasonable to some people. He is grifted, oops I mean gifted, in that respect.

Isn't it funny that different people have different feelings, opinions and experiences? 'Many of you' you say..well there's many of us too. So i guess we will have to agree to disagree.

I'm explaining my thoughts because people keep directly quoting me. I 'own' all that I say. I couldn't give two hoots if you or anyone else believes or agrees with me. Why on earth do you think I would?

I’m explaining my view. I didn’t expect you to try to understand.

and plus Corbyn was ejected from the Labour party for being to vocal an anti-semite. Although to many on the left being anti-jew isn't racist it seems.

My view is that you alter your definition of "privatisation" depending which side is presenting which option.

Two job offers and your out rule on benefits. Given people a bit of flex on choosing a role but will stop people constantly waiting on benefits until they get their idea job of model or social media influencer. This will cut the benefits bill by getting people into work. I think if there is work to be done people need to do it

34% of people claiming UC are employed, 38% are unemployed and the others are under the umbrella and on other benefits for example ESA etc

You're looking at 1.6 million unemployed, which is an extremely low figure historically and a very small amount of the population - enough that they are unlikely to be long term unemployed

what would be better is to get the 34% of UC claimants that are in low paid jobs, better pay conditions as that would save the government and increase tax payments into the government

And you’re wrong. I’ve already told you that I think the Tory PFI concept was sensible.

People ask why vote for them and the pp answers. And you post this.

Funny cos left wing sources disagree with you
https://sochealth.co.uk/2025/09/26/nhs-10-year-plan/

https://leftfootforward.org/2025/09/privatisation-hurts-patients-staff-and-the-nhs-labour-must-end-it/

Any chance of you supplying that link @Bumblebee72 before the thread begins to wind down?

Free at the point of delivery is not the same as free to use. It is not free to use at the moment, it is free at the point of delivery.

I've posted the quote numerous times. Stop trying to obfuscate.

Oh, I don't expect you to care at all. As I've already said, I think the best bet for the country now is for decent, moderate people from all parties and none to accept that we can't change the views of people like you because you're just too far gone. There are more than enough people against the far right to render your views irrelevant if the rest of us can unite to wipe out the threat.

It's more just curiosity from me, really. I genuinely don't understand why so many of you seem to be ashamed of owning what you vote for. You have an absolute democratic right to hold far right views that the majority of the population might find obnoxious, so if those are your views, why be so shy about simply acknowledging it? You don't need a bunch of nonsense excuses, just say that you like Reform's far right rhetoric and leave it at that.

Well, yes. I don't know why people can't just be honest instead of making up weird illogical excuses that make no sense at all.

No. They agree with my definition but object to widening service providers. The 10 year policy seeks to grow the commercialisation of service provision, the Reform plan will exclude patients. The UK has always been a mixed economy of private and public sector and NHS service provision reflects this. A mixed approach can save money and improve services, and the level of private sector activity will still be very small. These links are written by people who want fully unionised public sector employment, which I'm guessing you're not usually in favour of implementing?

Because they get to write their own posts not just put what you would like to read

So you are in favour of increased privatisation? When it costs the NHS more?
So if Labour suggest it you are in favour but let me guess that of Tories or Reform suggested the same plan then you would be against it?
PFI is pretty universal agreed to have been a disaster yet you are supporting this now?

Wtaf are you going on about 😂
Please point to anything that demonstrates I am shy about my opinions? I've been on this thread quite a bit and I've made it clear what my thoughts are on the matter. My last post to you I stated that I own all I say. Bless you.

The quote isn’t good enough. Link please or I’ll assume you’ve made it up.