Starmer thinks I am an enemy of the state

[Bumblebee72]

So we have it Starmer has declared at conference because I support Reform I am now an enemy of his Government.

Who would have thought it, a middle class British worker, now an enemy in the country I was born. And they say Reform is the party of Fascists. Yet we also now have the Home Secretary saying "In solving this crisis, you may not always like what I do. We will have to question some of the assumptions and legal constraints that have lasted for a generation and more". Maybe the Home Secretary too will be deemed an enemy of the state.

Am I being unreasonable to think this should be seen as a rallying cry to get this Government out at the first opportunity.

Ok 30 to 34% out. It’s a way to go but they probably don’t need to do immigration stuff re blocking women etc.

Well intentions are still that Reform are leading, actual voting since the GE shows the same

It is 🎯.

Labour voters who have gone to Reform may or may not be lost forever. Starmer continuing to pursue a Reform lite agenda won't win them back. Forget that. He has to concentrate on winning back the left wing people he had alienated

But we can't rely on that happening. Those 65-70% of us who oppose Reform need to get off our arses. We need to come together whether we are One Nation Tories, Lib Dems, Greens, Labour, SNP, PC. We need to vote tactically and keep Farage out in 2029. The parties who oppose Reform may need to co-operate, withdrawing candidates etc.

Maybe none of this will need to happen. Maybe Reform will have imploded by 2029 or its shine will have long worn off. But if not @MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack is absolutely on the money.

What do you like about Reform OP? Nobody but nobody will ever answer this.

Funny you mention eye care. For every £3 the NHS is spending on treating cataracts by utilising the private system, £2 off that is hived off in profits. Privatisation = profits, not better service. Are there not enough examples of privatisation in this country to have convinced you of that yet?

I would love Tories to get their act together but I think they need another election cycle to do that so won't be ready until 2034.

Yes, and people are asking those who intent to vote Reform why they get upset when it is pointed out that the party has racist policies.

People won’t die on waiting lists for operations because they won’t be able to get onto waiting lists in the first place unless they’ve got £££. They’ll die at home instead.

Do you think a struggling mum whose child needs a new coat will spend money on a GP appointment to get that breast lump checked if she knows it will mean that her child will go to school cold and wet that week?

But they’re ‘others’. I guess in your mind it’s a case of “Fuck them, they should have worked harder”?

Go ahead and vote for Reform when the time comes if that’s what you want to do but don’t come on here to whinge about it when they make everything a million times worse, and they will. You need to learn that the grass isn’t always greener on the other side. Labour have proved that. And Reform will also prove that. Looks like we will have to learn the hard way. Starmer will be out by 2029 and then Reform (if they get into power) will be out by 2033. This country is being destroyed by its own making.

Have you looked into the health systems in Germany and France? I’d suggest a bit of reading before making up your mind.

Exactly. The other parties need to set their usual party politics aside and focus on defeating the threat from the far right.

We need a moderate party to unite us. I truly believe that for most people, reform isn’t a viable option. They lack substance, speak only about immigration, and with their IRR policy have alienated all but the far right section of the voting population.
Sure, people want immigration curtailed but do they really want to expel economically active people with the right to be here?
But what other option is there?! (don’t get me wrong any option is better).
Where have the tories gone? I saw James Cleverly on Sunday and he refused to call racism what it was. They have gone too far right.
Those sitting in the centre of politics have no home.

They probably won't though. Greens are too far left and still can't agree what a woman is. Plus they seem more obsessed with Palestine than environmental issues.

I'd look at dentistry myself. How's that working out?
If you don't spend more money on healthcare and want a better service, the only option is to exclude some people from treatment.
The insurance model will create a group of people who get only symptomatic treatment. This is what I mean: say you have broken arm. Its cheap to splint, bandage and issue morphine, More expensive is X-ray/MRI, and surgery, and post op physio therapy etc. Both patients are cured but the outcomes/cost are very, very different.

But Churchill spoke at time when the center of British Politics was more to the right than it is to day

No it wasn’t. It was the time when Attlee’s government was elected with a landslide.

The UK was still an imperialist country with an Empire

No it wasn’t. It was at the time India gained independence.

He may be known as a liberal, but that was still relative - his government imprisoned you for being gay.

He wasn’t a liberal. Homosexuality had nothing to do with his government. It had been made illegal in the 19th century.

You’re not doing very well here, are you?

Having spent a lot of time hospital visiting my DH after a major operation I reckon the hospital would have to close if Farage kicked out immigrant staff. They were all wonderful and cover every level of staff.

We'll have to wait and see.

I am not very confident that the other parties will set aside their party political interests in the best interests of the country, but I really hope that they will come to see that this is the only way forward right now. They have their differences, of course, but it's all about priorities now. And the priority should be to prevent a far right government.

But it's happening now anyway. Where I live there are now 0 NHS dentists. They have all gone private. I can't get Denplan because I can't afford 2K up front to get a veneer replaced to enable me to go on to Denplan.
We've had to go private for DDs braces because there is no NHS alternative.

So we are already at the stage of 2 tier healthcare. No need to wait for Reform to introduce an insurance based system, we've been living it for 5 years where I live.

Not sure who you’re posting about but it’s obvious all the rhetoric from Starmer will entrench Reform voters.

At the same time he ramps up policy and headlines to try to get them back. It’s too confused.

It’s not looking good for them in terms of support, intention or votes now.

Personally I wouldn't hold my breath. The Corbyn party is falling to bits before it even starts and coalition didn't work well for LibDems last time ie it put them in political wilderness for 10+ years.

To be honest I think they’ll have no choice. Tactical voting will be on steroids at the next election and we could well end up with a coalition. It feels to me like the days of two party politics are over.

I have posted several times.

1. Their policy to collect unpaid tax. The last two governments have done very little to collect tax for business which they have declared they owe but then not paid. Seems like a no-brainer to be.
2. Raise Corporation tax thresholds and VAT thresholds for small business. This will help incentivise people to start businesses and generate job opportunities. A pro-growth strategy.
3. Taxable deduction for people using private education and medical care. Encourage people to use private when they can so that the state can focus on providing a better quality for less people. This will reduce the cost burden of education and medical care on the state.
4. Two job offers and your out rule on benefits. Given people a bit of flex on choosing a role but will stop people constantly waiting on benefits until they get their idea job of model or social media influencer. This will cut the benefits bill by getting people into work. I think if there is work to be done people need to do it.
5. Reforming the child maintenance system - getting fathers to pay, rather than keeping mothers on benefits. This is a common MN request.
6. Reduce net immigration to reduce pressure on housing costs. This will have rapid impact on the cost of living. The jobs will be filled by 4.
7. Allowing universities to run accelerated degree courses with 2 years of intense study rather than 3 years with 22 weeks of holiday a year. This will reduce the overall cost of education and improve people work readiness.
8. A focus on 16-34 employabilty skill for out of work young people. Help them break the cycle of long term benefits. Labour seem to be wanting to training our youth up for a life on benefits.
9. Removing IDR with a shift in focus to citizenship. It seems reasonable to that if you want to stay here for the long term you should become a British citizen.
10. Targeting 70% food security. Aiming to help British Farmer rather than demonise them as an enemy. There was nothing the Labour manifesto about turning on farmers.

All seems sensible to me.

That's my point. Reform's vision for general practice is what dentistry is now. If that's what you like, then vote for it.

Well at least they are honest about it instead of sneaking in privatisation via the back door like Labour's 10 year plan.

It is sad that the people saying they will vote Reform are the ones who are going to lose the most under Reform's 'policies' (I use the term very loosely). For instance, Reform say they will scrap VAT on school fees and actually provide tax incentives for people to use private schools. Where I live, Borough of Richmond-upon-Thames, a very high proportion of people use private schools. Yet it's a Lib Dem constituency. Not a plastic flag or painted roundabout in sight and people would rather eat their arm than vote Reform.

So many people are brainwashed by this manufactured immigration 'crisis' that they're not even looking at whose economic interests Reform supposedly represent. So all the immigrants get deported in your Farage-utopia? Then what? People's on low pay will still be on low pay, in poor housing and all the things they're complaining about now will be the same - probably worse. Who will they blame then?