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genesis92 · 01/10/2025 21:32

randomchap · 01/10/2025 10:37

So as a reform voter you're happy with:

Uncosted tax cuts for the richest
Deregulation and cuts to workers rights
Losing your human rights through the loss of the ECHR
Losing the NHS

It's also worth noting that Reform are a business and there's no way of members of the public joining them and shaping policy. At least with Labour, Conservative, Liberal Dem etc they are actually political parties with membership not a business pretending to be one

This post just shows the level of ignorance and brainwashing many are suffering from

TwistyTales · 01/10/2025 21:34

Nestingbirds · 01/10/2025 21:31

Actually the election is likely in 2028. I can’t see Labour lasting that long though.

Why 2028? Why would Labour not last until 2029? It has a huge majority.

TwistyTales · 01/10/2025 21:34

Nestingbirds · 01/10/2025 21:31

Actually the election is likely in 2028. I can’t see Labour lasting that long though.

Why 2028? Why would Labour not last until 2029? It has a huge majority.

Clavinova · 01/10/2025 21:36

DuncinToffee · 01/10/2025 15:53

In calling it the Farage boats? Lib Dem's coined the phrase first

Definitely could catch on.

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Ed Davey is quite clearly lying here though:

"I go back to the time before we left the EU, when under the Dublin Convention, we could deport people and there was no questions asked."

As recorded by the House of Commons Library, 93% of the UK's return requests under the Dublin Regulation 2015 - 2018 were rejected by other EU countries.

Ed Davey - "There was no legal cases, it was all legally fine"

No legal cases? Just looking here at the website for solicitors Duncan Lewis 2016:

News - Dublin Regulations January 2016

Our firm is at the forefront of various litigations representing individuals and challenging removals to a number of countries such as Austria, Malta and Cyprus.

We are currently running the lead cases on Bulgaria and Hungary

https://www.duncanlewis.co.uk/publiclaw_news/Dublin_Regulations_and_the_escalation_of_the_migration_crisis_(28_January_2016).html

Update on France Dublin II Test Challenges (3 August 2016)

https://www.duncanlewis.co.uk/Legal_News/Update_on_France_Dublin_II_Test_Challenges_(3_August_2016).html

In December 2011, the European Court of Justice ordered the UK and Ireland not to send asylum seekers back to Greece under the Dublin Regulation because reception conditions were inadequate and overwhelmed;

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/asylum-seekers-greece_n_1163532/amp

The EU suspended Dublin returns to Greece for 6 years. In 2017 Duncan Lewis told the Guardian that they intended to challenge any resumption of Dublin returns to Greece by the UK.

JustSawJohnny · 01/10/2025 21:41

Thank God someone is standing up and calling out Reform, though.

The feckers need fighting with political fire.

Unchecked, they will continue to run rampant with propaganda and whip up a frenzy of anti immigrant rhetoric.

Anything to stop people checking their voting record and likely manifesto, because the average man on the street wouldn't agree with much of it, IMO.

If they get in, we'll be looking at a weaker NHS, less funding for schools, removal of worker's rights and more tax breaks for the rich.

These people have been 100% consistent in their voting on these matters.

EasternStandard · 01/10/2025 21:43

Clavinova · 01/10/2025 21:36

Ed Davey is quite clearly lying here though:

"I go back to the time before we left the EU, when under the Dublin Convention, we could deport people and there was no questions asked."

As recorded by the House of Commons Library, 93% of the UK's return requests under the Dublin Regulation 2015 - 2018 were rejected by other EU countries.

Ed Davey - "There was no legal cases, it was all legally fine"

No legal cases? Just looking here at the website for solicitors Duncan Lewis 2016:

News - Dublin Regulations January 2016

Our firm is at the forefront of various litigations representing individuals and challenging removals to a number of countries such as Austria, Malta and Cyprus.

We are currently running the lead cases on Bulgaria and Hungary

https://www.duncanlewis.co.uk/publiclaw_news/Dublin_Regulations_and_the_escalation_of_the_migration_crisis_(28_January_2016).html

Update on France Dublin II Test Challenges (3 August 2016)

https://www.duncanlewis.co.uk/Legal_News/Update_on_France_Dublin_II_Test_Challenges_(3_August_2016).html

In December 2011, the European Court of Justice ordered the UK and Ireland not to send asylum seekers back to Greece under the Dublin Regulation because reception conditions were inadequate and overwhelmed;

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/asylum-seekers-greece_n_1163532/amp

The EU suspended Dublin returns to Greece for 6 years. In 2017 Duncan Lewis told the Guardian that they intended to challenge any resumption of Dublin returns to Greece by the UK.

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People spread misinformation on this, politicians and journalists. I didn’t vote for it but they could at least get it right.

BloominNora · 01/10/2025 21:58

EasternStandard · 01/10/2025 21:16

I don’t think this holds against generally what’s happening. Other countries still within the EU are facing the same issues. ROI for example. Germany, Greece.

Each country within the EU is working out how to deal with this still. It doesn’t really rest on Brexit or not.

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It doesn't all rest on Brexit but at least of the issues are a direct result of it - particularly when you look at EU vs non EU immigration.

Germany, ROI and France have not seen anywhere near the increases in net migration that we have, despite taking in significantly more asylum seekers. Germany and Europe overall are seeing a much quicker reduction in asylum seekers than we are.

And even if you take the position that Brexit, is not directly responsible, it is still a symptom and the most obvious result of the xenophobia that has been whipped up over what is a manufactured immigration crisis in order to cement the position of those in Reform and the Tory party so they can continue to bleed the country dry and / or implement their extreme ideological ideas.

Chickenonthebathroomfloor · 01/10/2025 22:06

Idk why anyone thinks a labour government should be replaced by a reform government when all the current problems are either from the years and years of Tory rule or brexit enabled by farage.

R0ckandHardPlace · 01/10/2025 22:06

Nestingbirds · 01/10/2025 21:27

That would be acceptable I suppose but Labour are tanking the economy, wrecking our future. They are not benign.

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How are they tanking the economy? The FTSE closed today on a record high. I didn’t even vote Labour but I can see that the markets are doing far better under the current government than the previous one, even if the Conservatives did leave an ocean of debt and a country on its knees.

DarkYearForMySoul · 01/10/2025 22:24

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Starmer thinks I am an enemy of the state

awkwardasfuck · 01/10/2025 22:30

Bumblebee72 · 01/10/2025 10:14

So we have it Starmer has declared at conference because I support Reform I am now an enemy of his Government.

Who would have thought it, a middle class British worker, now an enemy in the country I was born. And they say Reform is the party of Fascists. Yet we also now have the Home Secretary saying "In solving this crisis, you may not always like what I do. We will have to question some of the assumptions and legal constraints that have lasted for a generation and more". Maybe the Home Secretary too will be deemed an enemy of the state.

Am I being unreasonable to think this should be seen as a rallying cry to get this Government out at the first opportunity.

Sounds like you didn’t listen to the speech I'm afraid. Thats not what he said.

Dappy777 · 01/10/2025 22:51

Truth is the left hate Britain. They hate British identity, and they are ashamed of British history. And they’ve done all they can to make us ashamed as well. Radio 4 can’t even discuss Jane Austen without linking her to slavery and colonialism. In fact, I just take it for granted that the moment anyone from British history is discussed, from Newton and Darwin to Byron and Keats, they will be smeared and undermined. Churchill, of course, is the major target. But it isn’t just Churchill. During the BLM riots there were even calls for Nelson’s Column to be torn down!!

All this is deliberate. If you can make people ashamed of their history, they won’t protest when you use mass immigration to impose a new identity on them. It’s a lie that you can have mass immigration and still retain your identity. Of course you can’t. If millions of Dutch people move to Iceland, they will transform Icelandic identity. If millions of Russians move to Holland, they will transform Dutch identity. It’s as obvious as 2 + 2.

But some of us have got the nerve to protest. Some of us scumbags even fly our national flags! Outrageous. We don’t know what’s good for us, do we. I no longer feel English or British. I no longer feel like I live in a nation with a shared history and shared culture. When I was young, I knew who I was. Most of the people around me identified with the same things as me. I remember when the final episode of Blackadder was screened, and all the characters go over the top at the Somme. People were in tears. That’s gone. That sense of a shared identity just isn’t there any more. And now Starmer, a perfect example of the people who’ve done this, has got the nerve to accuse people like me of being the baddies. It’s c**s like him who are the fascists. No one is more vicious, intolerant or hate-filled than the left. I will never forget what they have done to me, and I will never forgive them.

rockstarshoes · 01/10/2025 22:59

Bumblebee72 · 01/10/2025 21:02

To be honest posting different excepts of different speeches is just as much misinformation.

This what Starmer said.

"History will not forgive us if we do not use every ounce of our energy to fight Reform. There is an enemy. There is a project which is detrimental to our country. It actually goes against the grain of our history. It's right there in plain sight in front of us. We have to win this battle"

If Farage had said the same swapping right to left he would definitely have been accused of inciting hatred and violence. But because Starmer is the beloved of the left they are just saying he didn't really mean it.

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Hit a nerve did I?

awkwardasfuck · 01/10/2025 23:04

Dappy777 · 01/10/2025 22:51

Truth is the left hate Britain. They hate British identity, and they are ashamed of British history. And they’ve done all they can to make us ashamed as well. Radio 4 can’t even discuss Jane Austen without linking her to slavery and colonialism. In fact, I just take it for granted that the moment anyone from British history is discussed, from Newton and Darwin to Byron and Keats, they will be smeared and undermined. Churchill, of course, is the major target. But it isn’t just Churchill. During the BLM riots there were even calls for Nelson’s Column to be torn down!!

All this is deliberate. If you can make people ashamed of their history, they won’t protest when you use mass immigration to impose a new identity on them. It’s a lie that you can have mass immigration and still retain your identity. Of course you can’t. If millions of Dutch people move to Iceland, they will transform Icelandic identity. If millions of Russians move to Holland, they will transform Dutch identity. It’s as obvious as 2 + 2.

But some of us have got the nerve to protest. Some of us scumbags even fly our national flags! Outrageous. We don’t know what’s good for us, do we. I no longer feel English or British. I no longer feel like I live in a nation with a shared history and shared culture. When I was young, I knew who I was. Most of the people around me identified with the same things as me. I remember when the final episode of Blackadder was screened, and all the characters go over the top at the Somme. People were in tears. That’s gone. That sense of a shared identity just isn’t there any more. And now Starmer, a perfect example of the people who’ve done this, has got the nerve to accuse people like me of being the baddies. It’s c**s like him who are the fascists. No one is more vicious, intolerant or hate-filled than the left. I will never forget what they have done to me, and I will never forgive them.

So let me get this straight: you’re furious that historians dare mention slavery when discussing British history as though slavery wasn’t a pretty central part of Britain’s empire and economy for centuries. If your definition of “British identity” depends on defending or whitewashing slavery, then you’re not a patriot, you’re just a problem.

And the Churchill thing is peak hypocrisy: the same man who stood up to Hitler also said vile things about Indians and supported policies that worsened famine. Both are true. If your “shared culture” can only cope with one side of Churchill, that’s not pride, that’s denial.

And crying over the final episode of Blackadder as proof of a golden age of shared national identity? Mate, you’re literally treating a BBC sitcom as a patriotic sacrament. You can’t complain that today’s Britain isn’t “serious” when your big cultural benchmark is Rowan Atkinson falling in a trench.

In short: you don’t actually love Britain, you love a myth where Britain never did wrong, where culture never evolves, and where you think your personal nostalgia is national truth.

Bloozie · 01/10/2025 23:07

Dappy777 · 01/10/2025 22:51

Truth is the left hate Britain. They hate British identity, and they are ashamed of British history. And they’ve done all they can to make us ashamed as well. Radio 4 can’t even discuss Jane Austen without linking her to slavery and colonialism. In fact, I just take it for granted that the moment anyone from British history is discussed, from Newton and Darwin to Byron and Keats, they will be smeared and undermined. Churchill, of course, is the major target. But it isn’t just Churchill. During the BLM riots there were even calls for Nelson’s Column to be torn down!!

All this is deliberate. If you can make people ashamed of their history, they won’t protest when you use mass immigration to impose a new identity on them. It’s a lie that you can have mass immigration and still retain your identity. Of course you can’t. If millions of Dutch people move to Iceland, they will transform Icelandic identity. If millions of Russians move to Holland, they will transform Dutch identity. It’s as obvious as 2 + 2.

But some of us have got the nerve to protest. Some of us scumbags even fly our national flags! Outrageous. We don’t know what’s good for us, do we. I no longer feel English or British. I no longer feel like I live in a nation with a shared history and shared culture. When I was young, I knew who I was. Most of the people around me identified with the same things as me. I remember when the final episode of Blackadder was screened, and all the characters go over the top at the Somme. People were in tears. That’s gone. That sense of a shared identity just isn’t there any more. And now Starmer, a perfect example of the people who’ve done this, has got the nerve to accuse people like me of being the baddies. It’s c**s like him who are the fascists. No one is more vicious, intolerant or hate-filled than the left. I will never forget what they have done to me, and I will never forgive them.

This is such a pile of paranoid tripe.

I am on the left. I love Britain. I love our history. I’m just not blind to our faults.

I don’t hate British identity.

I do hate people like you creating a narrow view of what it means to be British.

Watch the opening ceremony to the London 2012 Olympics. That’s the Britain I’m proud of.

Your pessimistic Little Britain view of what we are and could and should be can get in the fucking sea. This is a truly great country.

randomchap · 01/10/2025 23:10

Dappy777 · 01/10/2025 22:51

Truth is the left hate Britain. They hate British identity, and they are ashamed of British history. And they’ve done all they can to make us ashamed as well. Radio 4 can’t even discuss Jane Austen without linking her to slavery and colonialism. In fact, I just take it for granted that the moment anyone from British history is discussed, from Newton and Darwin to Byron and Keats, they will be smeared and undermined. Churchill, of course, is the major target. But it isn’t just Churchill. During the BLM riots there were even calls for Nelson’s Column to be torn down!!

All this is deliberate. If you can make people ashamed of their history, they won’t protest when you use mass immigration to impose a new identity on them. It’s a lie that you can have mass immigration and still retain your identity. Of course you can’t. If millions of Dutch people move to Iceland, they will transform Icelandic identity. If millions of Russians move to Holland, they will transform Dutch identity. It’s as obvious as 2 + 2.

But some of us have got the nerve to protest. Some of us scumbags even fly our national flags! Outrageous. We don’t know what’s good for us, do we. I no longer feel English or British. I no longer feel like I live in a nation with a shared history and shared culture. When I was young, I knew who I was. Most of the people around me identified with the same things as me. I remember when the final episode of Blackadder was screened, and all the characters go over the top at the Somme. People were in tears. That’s gone. That sense of a shared identity just isn’t there any more. And now Starmer, a perfect example of the people who’ve done this, has got the nerve to accuse people like me of being the baddies. It’s c**s like him who are the fascists. No one is more vicious, intolerant or hate-filled than the left. I will never forget what they have done to me, and I will never forgive them.

Is this satire?

You do understand that black adder was a comedy don't you?

As a nation we need to understand our role in slavery, both partaking in it, and our role in ending the trans Atlantic slave trade. This isn't talking the nation down, or attacking our heritage.

You don't know where you fit in now? Who you are? That is down to you. You can't say it's all someone else's fault.

TooManyFools · 01/10/2025 23:12

What a stupid post. If you talk down this country to other nations, then yes, it’s not patriotic behaviour and you’d have had your head cut off for this years ago. I believe Reform do not have true British values at heart and I support Starmer. Problem is, people are too stupid to understand him. (Plus I don’t want 18 year olds running councils etc like they are in Reform areas now. See how that works out).

Livelovebehappy · 01/10/2025 23:16

TwistyTales · 01/10/2025 21:34

Why 2028? Why would Labour not last until 2029? It has a huge majority.

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had a huge majority when they were elected. If there was an election next week, Labour would be wiped out. They got in last time because people hated the Tories more than they liked Labour. Labour got in by default, and we’re all living to regret it.

persephonia · 01/10/2025 23:16

randomchap · 01/10/2025 23:10

Is this satire?

You do understand that black adder was a comedy don't you?

As a nation we need to understand our role in slavery, both partaking in it, and our role in ending the trans Atlantic slave trade. This isn't talking the nation down, or attacking our heritage.

You don't know where you fit in now? Who you are? That is down to you. You can't say it's all someone else's fault.

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Black Adder was a comedy but the last episode is profoundly anti-war and quite sad. It also includes a whole bit on colonial violence. The irony is, if it came out today people would be apoplectic that it was woke and ashamed of Britain.
I do think there is a loss of shared experiences. That isn't because my neighbours wife is polish. It's because everyone watches their own thing on YouTube/Netflix/Amazon so there isn't the same level of shared cultural moments as when we were stuck watching BBC1. In a double layer of irony though older shows like Blackadder are probably more widely known than they would be because of the internet.

randomchap · 01/10/2025 23:18

genesis92 · 01/10/2025 21:32

This post just shows the level of ignorance and brainwashing many are suffering from

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I have no idea if you're suggesting I'm brain washed or Reform voters are.

It could be read either way.

Livelovebehappy · 01/10/2025 23:18

TooManyFools · 01/10/2025 23:12

What a stupid post. If you talk down this country to other nations, then yes, it’s not patriotic behaviour and you’d have had your head cut off for this years ago. I believe Reform do not have true British values at heart and I support Starmer. Problem is, people are too stupid to understand him. (Plus I don’t want 18 year olds running councils etc like they are in Reform areas now. See how that works out).

The irony. Accusing people supporting Reform of being stupid, whilst in the same post saying you support Starmer…

randomchap · 01/10/2025 23:20

persephonia · 01/10/2025 23:16

Black Adder was a comedy but the last episode is profoundly anti-war and quite sad. It also includes a whole bit on colonial violence. The irony is, if it came out today people would be apoplectic that it was woke and ashamed of Britain.
I do think there is a loss of shared experiences. That isn't because my neighbours wife is polish. It's because everyone watches their own thing on YouTube/Netflix/Amazon so there isn't the same level of shared cultural moments as when we were stuck watching BBC1. In a double layer of irony though older shows like Blackadder are probably more widely known than they would be because of the internet.

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The whole of Black Adder Goes Forth was anti war. It was brilliantly written and that ending was one of the best in tv history.

The first series was terrible though

Livelovebehappy · 01/10/2025 23:21

Bloozie · 01/10/2025 23:07

This is such a pile of paranoid tripe.

I am on the left. I love Britain. I love our history. I’m just not blind to our faults.

I don’t hate British identity.

I do hate people like you creating a narrow view of what it means to be British.

Watch the opening ceremony to the London 2012 Olympics. That’s the Britain I’m proud of.

Your pessimistic Little Britain view of what we are and could and should be can get in the fucking sea. This is a truly great country.

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I don’t believe you. No-one on the left celebrates our History or Culture.

Clavinova · 01/10/2025 23:24

BloominNora
It doesn't all rest on Brexit

Clearly not - graph showing asylum application spike in the EU post 2020;

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/asylum-applications-eu/

Germany, ROI and France have not seen anywhere near the increases in net migration that we have, despite taking in significantly more asylum seekers

Germany's net migration was 1,462,089 in 2022;

https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Society-Environment/Population/Migration/Tables/migration-year-01.html

Germany and Europe overall are seeing a much quicker reduction in asylum seekers than we are

What policy changes have they made?

DarkYearForMySoul · 01/10/2025 23:25

Trust Farage with our economy?