Starmer thinks I am an enemy of the state

[Bumblebee72]

So we have it Starmer has declared at conference because I support Reform I am now an enemy of his Government.

Who would have thought it, a middle class British worker, now an enemy in the country I was born. And they say Reform is the party of Fascists. Yet we also now have the Home Secretary saying "In solving this crisis, you may not always like what I do. We will have to question some of the assumptions and legal constraints that have lasted for a generation and more". Maybe the Home Secretary too will be deemed an enemy of the state.

Am I being unreasonable to think this should be seen as a rallying cry to get this Government out at the first opportunity.

This.

No problem. Perhaps you will do a little self reflection one of these days and work out why you’re so full of anger and resentment for others. I think more people in the world could do with doing that, but they seldom do.

Yes places like Durham (where a Reform council got in) would be run-down ghost towns if not for the university.

BINGO BINGO. I was a bit late on todays game of left wingers saying anyone who disagrees with them lacks critical thinking.

I’ve not RTFT, but I think Reform are doing exactly what they intended. They are a disruptor - they are doing a superb job of that. It’s obvious they are not capable of running the country, Farage would be the first to acknowledge that, he doesn’t actually want to be PM. They are doing an excellent job of asking the questions the country want answering, in a way that grabs headlines. That Starmer is being so rattled by them just plays into the narrative that he’s very weak as a leader and PM.

Thank you to the posters who have copied and pasted or linked to the actual speech!

I know some posters won’t read the speech or follow the links & just want to believe the misinformation posted by the original poster!

But let’s start calling this shit out! It’s misinformation & Mumsnet shouldn’t stand for it!

This fucking left wing/right wing, Reform/Labour binary stuff is so tedious. Anti Reform does not equal Labour. Anti far right does not equal left.
I despise Reform and everything they stand for. I have never voted Labour and do not consider myself to be left wing.

Yep

Absolutely. I'm on it. So my self reflection is your insight into my psyche, from the very few sentences I've written on this thread, is spot on. I have a fragile ego and I'm spiteful and I'm angry. It's mind blowing that you could sum me up so eloquently and so precisely and all this from a few words that I've written here. Anyway clearly you are right. I must be better. I must do better. I am sorry for all the bad, bad things I've said. Your post has encouraged me to definitely not vote reform. Thank you for illuminating me. Let's hope your posts continue to inspire other readers.

To be honest posting different excepts of different speeches is just as much misinformation.

This what Starmer said.

"History will not forgive us if we do not use every ounce of our energy to fight Reform. There is an enemy. There is a project which is detrimental to our country. It actually goes against the grain of our history. It's right there in plain sight in front of us. We have to win this battle"

If Farage had said the same swapping right to left he would definitely have been accused of inciting hatred and violence. But because Starmer is the beloved of the left they are just saying he didn't really mean it.

You are, because you literally said you’d drink piss just so Tory and Labour people could drink piss with you. That’s you saying you’d actively accept self harm just to harm others. No empathetic, happy person does something like that that is that extreme. It’s just a fact 😂

Well said

Nope. I am referring to the small section of reform voters that ARE racists.

I don’t think all reform voters are racist but I think all racists will vote reform.

Yes.

You're being unreasonable because he didn't say the thing you said.

I've already answered this one already, - with sources, but again:

Changes over time in the number of people claiming asylum in the UK are driven in a large part by geopolitical events, since asylum seekers come mainly from countries with political and military conflicts. For example, the spike in people who came to the UK to seek asylum from 1998 to 2002 were mainly nationals of Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, and the former Yugoslavia, which were then sites of war

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum//

We accepted people fleeing war in 2002, just as we have accepted Ukranians, Afghans and Syrians since 2021

This difference is those coming over in 2002 were included in the overall asylum seeker figures whereas the 2024 asylum seeker figures (the dark blue line on the graph) excludes those who have come to the UK through humanitarian route (the pink columns). If the people fleeing war in 2002 had been part of special schemes rather than just coming in through the usual asylum route, the 2002 spike would not exists.

However, there is a spike in 2021 onwards, despite the humanitarian routes being excluded and you can clearly see how much higher the 2021-2024 asylum seeker line would be if those in the pink columns were included.

Enforced returns have decreased,
Voluntary returns have decreased,
Net migration has increased with a higher proportion of non-EU immigrants making up the numbers as more EU citizens are leaving the country than are coming in
People arriving by irregular means - whether by boat or lorry has increased significantly

None of that is opinion - it is data driven fact using the governments own figures.

This issue is not 100% down to Brexit, but it certainly plays a part - the ending of freedom of movement, makes it more difficult for people to get to the UK and apply for asylum via public transport, we return fewer people, EU citizens leave the country, creating job vacancies which the British nationals are can't fill, the government allowed the backlog of claims to build up, a combination of intent and a lack of parliamentary time and money due to the cost and distraction of Brexit.

But overall, Brexit is part of the ideological drive towards using xenophobia as a way to stir up public opinion against a common cause, so that the those who are behind it can consolidate their power and feather their own nests, while everyone is distracted and arguing amongst themselves.

Meanwhile, public services go to hell and everyone but the already wealthy get poorer.

He was known for expressing Nazi rhetoric at school and also racist bullying @Clavinova .

A friend of mine's daughter went to the same boarding school as his daughter. Farage goes nowhere near "the little people" as he patronisingly calls them.

Remember after Brexit? He was ranting "This is a victory for the little man..." Just before he resigned from public life. Imagine lying to get people to vote UKIP - then referring to your voters as "little men and buggering off. He will do the exactly the same again if elected. He knows he has no realistic policies and would run a mild before being actually being held accountable for anything Easy to spout moronic slogans and pontificate from the sideline as a protest 'politician.' Not so easy when you actually have to put your money where your mouth is. He's a very skilled media man and communicator, I'll give him that. But he'd run a mile before becoming PM.

Ffs, he didn't even buy a house in Clacton, he got his current girlfriend to buy one so he could avoid the extra stamp duty.

I will be deported if reform are elected.

Yes, I think reform and the people that campaign for them are racist.

I think complaining about being called racist while you're actively supporting a campaign to have people who have lived here the vast majority of their lives deported is pathetic.

I don’t think this holds against generally what’s happening. Other countries still within the EU are facing the same issues. ROI for example. Germany, Greece.

Each country within the EU is working out how to deal with this still. It doesn’t really rest on Brexit or not.

He didn't say that in his speech. He did say it in an interview with the Guardian. I agree with every word and I hope he meant every word.

Tories were in for 14 years and Labour have had 14 months. I don’t know why people think 14 months is enough time to significantly turn things around given the current state of things globally.

It had all become too extreme in every direction.

Can the adults please come back in the room. Proper leaders. Politicians that deliver on their promises. Authority. Security. Competence.

We need an election.

That would be acceptable I suppose but Labour are tanking the economy, wrecking our future. They are not benign.

And we will have one in 2029.

It will be too late by then

Actually the election is likely in 2028. I can’t see Labour lasting that long though.