Starmer thinks I am an enemy of the state

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So we have it Starmer has declared at conference because I support Reform I am now an enemy of his Government.

Who would have thought it, a middle class British worker, now an enemy in the country I was born. And they say Reform is the party of Fascists. Yet we also now have the Home Secretary saying "In solving this crisis, you may not always like what I do. We will have to question some of the assumptions and legal constraints that have lasted for a generation and more". Maybe the Home Secretary too will be deemed an enemy of the state.

Am I being unreasonable to think this should be seen as a rallying cry to get this Government out at the first opportunity.

But being out of the Dublin agreement without anything in place has made it more difficult

No access to security databases, no return agreements, the UK left the EU with nothing in place.

I'm very wary of anyone who is falling for this fascist / nazi propaganda. It's a good way to stop conversation and sharing differing opinions. They're trying to make everything black and white, right and wrong and the issues are more nuanced. It's amazing how many people are so easily influenced by the media and those with agendas.

OP is like a parody account.

He loathes farmers and pensioners. He spent many years working to protect sex offenders. Lovely chap Kier.

I think the time of addressing opposing political opinions by telling people they’re evil/fascists/racist/gammons/thick is over. We are seeing it right here on this thread. Brexit happened in spite of it, Trump was elected TWICE in spite of it, and Farage & Reform will be too. We are creeping to The Right - NOT Far Right 🙄, and a big part of why that is happening is the abuse/character assassinations meted out by The Left. No one cares about these manipulative labels for perfectly understandable viewpoints anymore. Yet on they go with it. They cannot stop. And when Reform gets in they’ll be horrified, astounded and still asserting that everyone except them - the minority - are misguided, racist thickos.

People wouldn't have work and there'd be a downturn in those towns and cities due to the lack of students - so the money wouldn't be there, there'd certainly not be spare money - far from it foreign students bring £41bn to the uk economy, with a net profit of £37bn

I believe we have bilateral arrangements with some EU countries - Bulgaria being one.

Republic of Ireland has full access;

2024
Ireland applied to send more than 2,750 asylum applicants back to the EU country where they first arrived or sought international protection, but has been able to return only 31, the Department of Justice has said.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ireland-applied-to-return-2758-asylum-seekers-in-the-past-four-years-but-only-31-were-sent-back/a593136726.html

But not when we left the EU. The UK had to start from scratch. Tories got a return agreement with Albania, Labour now with France.

We had all that and more whilst in the EU.

The Dublin agreement is far from perfect but it is better than nothing, which is what the UK left the EU with.

The numbers are small everywhere. It’s why the Dublin Agreement hasn’t resolved this for anyone.

We are creeping to The Right - NOT Far Right 🙄

• *@WolfingtonBear Do you believe that deporting anyone who wasn’t born in Britain is not “Far Right”? Even if they’ve lived and worked here for years, married British nationals and raised their British children here?

Still better than having nothing in place, don't you agree?

The UK can't even check if refugees were refused asylum in other countries.

Honestly though OP, why would you care what opinion this clown has? He’s desperate as he knows that Reform are the biggest threat to his party getting in again, so he resorts to what the left do best - trying to bully and name call to get his point across. He’s too stupid to realise that it doesn’t work, but I guess he will continue regardless.

'People like me'? You have no idea who I am or what I am like. But I'll tell you this for nothing - at no point will you find me begging for mercy, whoever gets in. Have a goodnight.

BloominNora
All of the data shows that what we offer immigrants and asylum seekers in terms of residency, support, access to benefits etc is less than France and other European countries

Really? Just looking at a few European countries here:

2024
ECRE’s report on the reception conditions of refugees and asylum seekers in Europe demonstrates that France has consistently fallen short of its obligations to provide accommodation to all asylum seekers on its territory,
https://asylumineurope.org/reports/country/france/reception-conditions/housing/types-accommodation/

2025
The highest Dutch administrative court ruled that the Netherlands should no longer send single male asylum-seekers back to Belgium, citing its “systemic failure” in meeting basic needs.
https://www.politico.eu/article/dont-send-single-male-asylum-seeker-failing-belgium-dutch-court-netherlands/

2023
The Dutch authorities should no longer return asylum seekers to Italy due to a lack of "reception facilities" and human rights violations, the Netherlands' high administrative court ruled
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/04/26/dutch-court-bans-government-from-returning-asylum-seekers-to-italy

I’ve attached a link - it’s The Guardian - a leftist publication, so no doubt will frame the issues as sympathetically to your viewpoint as possible, which clarifies Farage’s position. Personally I believe his plans to be woolly and unworkable but enforcing borders and ensuring that every migrant to the UK is contributing and has the right to be here is not Far Right.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/22/farage-vows-to-scrap-settled-status-placing-thousands-at-risk-of-deportation

Also hasn’t Mahmood also decided to double the time that migrants must be resident in the uk in order to earn legal right to remain, from 5 to 10 years? This is obviously felt to be necessary or why would she do it? So I don’t think it’s a problem to examine the position of migrants who have arrived under previous regulations.

sunandfizz
Farage was almost expelled from the prestigious public-school, Dulwich college as a teenager

He wasn't nearly expelled - several teachers apparently objected to him being made a prefect.

Farage cited a Centre for Policy Studies (CPS) report in claiming its plans could save around £234 billion, despite the think tank having since said the figure, which had been a lifetime estimate, should no longer be used.

If by ‘small section of the population’ you’re referring to Reform supporters, I think it’s pretty much common knowledge that Reform supporters are a bit more than a small section. Hence Starmer having to even make reference to them. A lot of those supporters needed to have some sort of assurance that he hears them. That he recognises their concerns on immigration. That the party are working towards sorting it. Instead they see a man desperately trying to appease the circling vultures on the far left, because that’s who he is bowing to now.

You revealed who you are by what you said. Only spiteful people vote to harm themselves because people they disagree with will be hurt in the same or worse ways.

It shows a total lack of empathy, lack of emotional immaturity and a very fragile ego. Have a good night 😳

Lack of emotional maturity that should read!

Does that apply to other laws like speed limits and tax? So you can retroactively punish people who were following the rules as they were written at the time?

I like how simultaneously Labour are doing nothing about immigration (radical left, open borders, contempt for ordinary people's concerns) and also doing the exact same thing as Reform. Pick a lane maybe?

There is a world of difference between changing the rules for future applicants and taking away the residency rights (aka deporting) people who have already got it and in many cases been living here for ages.

It's significant because it does show up the nasty side of Reform and the people cheering this. It's not really concern about "criminals" at all or anger at people "taking advantage" of the system. The people Farage's policy targets are by definition people who have followed the rules of the country in good faith. It's either vindictiveness for the sake of vindictiveness or motivated by racism/nativism

I think this fits:

If there's 8 of you at a dinner party and the other 7 are doing a Nazi salute, you're at a Nazi dinner.

If you haven't left by the time the meal is over, there are 8 Nazis at the dinner.

Well 34% of the country is planning to vote Reform, and Mumsnet is typically pretty left wing so that is about right.

Thanks for the insight 😊

Alternatively if you are go out for dinner with 7 other people and they all turn out to be socialists, you are going to be paying the bill.