Starmer thinks I am an enemy of the state

[Bumblebee72]

So we have it Starmer has declared at conference because I support Reform I am now an enemy of his Government.

Who would have thought it, a middle class British worker, now an enemy in the country I was born. And they say Reform is the party of Fascists. Yet we also now have the Home Secretary saying "In solving this crisis, you may not always like what I do. We will have to question some of the assumptions and legal constraints that have lasted for a generation and more". Maybe the Home Secretary too will be deemed an enemy of the state.

Am I being unreasonable to think this should be seen as a rallying cry to get this Government out at the first opportunity.

That's not true, Baldwin did it in 1931.

You are honestly trying to argue that Starmer wasn't refering the Reform when he said "There is an enemy" even through it follows the sentence ending in Reform? I think you have may have reached the bottom and are scrapping the barrel.

Cool the second party to achieve it, if anything that just confirms its even more possible to happen.

Mostly via lorries so not via Brexit boats
You’ve answered your own question 🙂

Why isn’t Farage bleating about lorries? Why isn’t he talking about expelling his non-British ex’s? Thank goodness he wouldn’t touch the generous EU pension … would he?

Amoral tax avoiding fake-donkey-loving Starmer is a fully paid up member of the lanyard class, as is the rest of his repulsive anti-British, Hammas supporting cabinet.

And yes, he does loathe the working classes. He absolutely does. And as for trying to score brownie points by accusing anybody who questions the invasion of misogynistic fighting age males to this country as raycist, well that is backfiring horribly.

In 4 years he and his revolting, corrupt government will be TOAST, and I’m here for it, so bulk buy your tissues now, REVELS!

(REVELS = Rich Enough to Even Vote Labour).

Lorries to boats isn’t due to Brexit, it’s because people suffocated and there was outcry and rules changed.

But are you saying you’re ok with the former not the latter? Why would boats worry you particularly.

You can vote for whoever you like OP, we live in a democracy. People will have as many reasons for voting Reform as they might have for voting for Labour. I personally would not vote Reform, but to suggest it's a fascist party, for proposing immigration policies that are soft ball compared to many other also not-fascist countries, is absolutely deranged.

Perhaps not but he can destroy families like mine by sending one half of a pensioner couple "back home" (hasn't lived abroad for almost 50 years so actually has no life to go back to any more) when the other half can't follow thanks to his precious Brexit and wouldn't want to anyway due to having kids who are also trapped here now and you know, quite liking their life as it is. He is a despicable and dangerous man who should never get anywhere near the keys of number 10. Shame on anyone who votes for him or his party. That in no way detracts from the fact that you have the right to do so before anyone quotes free speech.

I don't think he was referring to you. Let's put it that way.

It's the same 2 or 3 posters over and over again starting these threads and then backing each other up, like flying monkeys. It's actually quite reassuring.

Isn't it interesting how we see different things. Starmers Labour is as far away from traditional Labour as you'll get. Their core voting base have been lost forever. You can't slam people who are concerned about immigration as " racist" and retain their loyalty. The waving of flags was clear mockery. I'm sure you'll view that differently too.

You were the one who brought up lorries to boats as a trend. Lots of people pointed out the numbers/dates didn't add up. But I think you were trying to counter the fact that small boats became a thing right after Brexit by saying that it was only because people stopped using lorries and started using boats at that precise point in time. Again, that argument doesn't really fit the figures. (Arrivals by lorry peaked in 2002.then went down following increased cooperation with France. They started to rise again about the same time that arrivals by boat started to rise).

But all that aside I'm sure noone wants people suffocating in lorries or drowning at sea.

Boats of people feeing genocide don’t worry me. I worry for the people in the boats arriving in an increasingly racist and right-wing country.

People being conned into voting for lying fascists does worry me greatly. It’s terrifying the lack of critical thinking.

I would love yo know why people on this, and many other threads have taken what someone has said out of context.

The other thing that I would like to know is if starmer is so proud of the flag why didn't he do something about this when people started to hang them?

It could have been turned in to a massive multicultural celebration of Britain led by the PM and the other party leaders had just got everybody to fly the flag (including the various councils), if they had done that the whole fly the flag issue would have been turned in to something great.

But no it has been allowed so that it can keep everybody separate and at each others throats.

There are still some years to go before an election and it's clear, as the weeks go by, Farage is getting more and more emboldened with his racist rhetoric. And yes, he is a racist and let's not pretend otherwise. But he will go too far. People will see him for what he is eventually. Let's hope it's sooner rather than later. In general, those voting for him have the most to lose. And they will lose.

No I haven’t posted anything about ‘precise point in time’

Your pejorative description of asylum seekers gives you away.

Did you read his speech at all? He said that controlling migration is a reasonable goal and that it is reasonable to want secure borders.

And yet 31% of over 1300 votes think the OP is NBU.

This is very true. In his role as head of CPS he fought to keep very dangerous criminals from being deported. He attacks the elderly and disabled as well as farmers. I just wonder why his next target will be, maybe orphans?

Well it hasn't done anything to impact the polls

Westminster Voting Intention:

RFM: 30% (+2)
LAB: 20% (-5)
CON: 20% (=)
LDM: 14% (+1)
GRN: 8% (=)
SNP: 3% (=)

Pre conference polling

As members of the EU most migrants didn’t bother with the dangerous boat journey as we just sent then back without extra process

Nonsense, according to the House of Commons Library, the UK's success rate with Dublin returns 2015 - 2018 was 7%.

Over 8,000 people arrived by small boat in 2020 - the UK was a full member of the Dublin III regulation throughout 2020.

On mn? Maybe mn is reassuring to Labour voters. They have lost a lot of support since the GE though.

You can tell a Reform voter because they all seem to have swallowedthe same language - "fighting age men" is a giveaway. Or "able bodied men." All very odd. Also "our women" is another one. Pathetic really.