Starmer thinks I am an enemy of the state

[Bumblebee72]

So we have it Starmer has declared at conference because I support Reform I am now an enemy of his Government.

Who would have thought it, a middle class British worker, now an enemy in the country I was born. And they say Reform is the party of Fascists. Yet we also now have the Home Secretary saying "In solving this crisis, you may not always like what I do. We will have to question some of the assumptions and legal constraints that have lasted for a generation and more". Maybe the Home Secretary too will be deemed an enemy of the state.

Am I being unreasonable to think this should be seen as a rallying cry to get this Government out at the first opportunity.

Indeed. I don’t post here much and that thread was weeks ago. Odd.

I have no idea why people call Reform voters thick, no idea whatsoever

Why creepy? Nothing wrong with using advanced search. I thought I recognised the user name.

I've just read that nearly 80% of people on Universal Credit are British. So 20% are foreign.
Reform will stop that immediately and that will save a lot of money

Not as odd as trying to convince people that Yaxley-Lennon is some misunderstood working class hero.

I think OP did indeed listen to the whole speech and clearly identifies with the unacceptable behaviours that KS called out!

The birth rate is down and immigration is needed to replace it. We have a skewed population at the moment where more people are net takers than contributors. A huge swath of wealthy net contributors left post brexit and that is something Farage never ever mentions. When 10% of the population pay 60% of income tax every single one of their departures matters.

In terms of low earning immigrants - the UK is a service based economy... it needs cheap labour to function.

The UK has a shifting demographic - pensioners are taking up housing and taking from the state. Should we get rid of them? Absolutely not!!! But you can't build houses fast enough to meet the demands for housing when half the population is living in the housing available and not working. Workers need to be close to where they work - you can't sustain London with 90% of its population living outside of it. And you can't ask people to sell their homes because now they're old, or disabled or widowed and taking up valuable housing stock that would allow a net contributor to live in and add economic value.

I would urge you to go to the US or Canada where housing is built quickly and has a lifespan of 20 years. Handwringing about immigrants is blaming the problem on the very people who have been keeping this country anywhere close to afloat

Zero regrets.

How will Reform put a stop to that immediately?

Labour have also said they will make it harder to get ILR:

"I will be proposing a series of new tests, such as: being in work; making national insurance contributions; not taking a penny in benefits; learning English to a high standard; having no criminal record."

These pretty high bars. No pensioners, No disabled, No one with children earning less than £80k.

People here have said these a minor policy movements but it seems less discretionary than what Reform have proposed. They seem to have be trying to out reform Reform.

"There is an enemy" by itself is ambiguous and therefore a bit problematic. It leaves it open to people to interpret what (or who) the enemy is which is unhelpful. However, straight after he says "there is a project". Which implies the enemy is the project which is detrimental to the country. There isn't that ambiguity there. Criticising a project or a set of policies belonging to another party is quite standard. Reforms policies are detrimental to the country. They do go against British values (the grain of our history). He didn't even describe Nigel Farage as an enemy. Let alone Bumblebee.

I don't like demonising other politicians or parties (I think positioning political opponents as enemies is a bad trend). I especially don't like demonising voters. But politicians have to be allowed to criticise the policies of other parties. it's sort of part of the job...

Nige has had a shot at being an MEP - couldn’t be bothered to turn up, even to his beloved fisheries committees.
He's now got a shot at being an MP - doesn’t really bother with Clacton, needs to go to the US to slag the U.K. off though.
He forced Brexit on us - whilst he got himself a Belgian passport- what we can’t have doesn’t faze him one iota.
Reform councillors are giving running some councils a go - when they’re not being suspended for various misdeeds - it’s not going so well.
Now you want him to give being PM a go so he can wreck the U.K. completely - what gives you any impression of competence? But more importantly perhaps what makes you think he’d put the average citizen first?

It's actually 83.6% and 73.6% identify as white (The ELEPHANT in the room)

9.7% are in EU settlement scheme

2.7% are on indefinite leave to remain (Reforms target)

1.5% are refugees (Reforms villain)

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• there were 7.9 million people on Universal Credit in June 2025, up from 6.8 million people on Universal Credit in June 2024
• of people on Universal Credit in June 2025, 76.4% were from the white ethnic group. The Asian/Asian British ethnicity group accounts for 10.3%. The Black/African/Caribbean/Black British ethnicity group accounts for 6.0%. The Mixed/Multiple Ethnic groups accounts for 2.9%, while the Other ethnic group accounts for 4.4%
• the proportion of people in the ‘no work requirements’ conditionality regime (42%) continues to increase
• In June 2025, 83.6% of people on UC belonged to the immigration status group “CTA – UK, Ireland, Right of Abode”
• In June 2025, 9.7% of people on UC were in the “EU Settlement Scheme” group. 2.7% of people on UC were in the “Indefinite Leave to Remain (not EU Settlement Scheme)” group. 1.5% of people on UC were in the “Refugee” group. 1.0% of people on UC were in the “Limited Leave to Remain (not EU Settlement Scheme) including family reunion” group. 0.7% of people on UC were in the “Humanitarian” group. 0.4% of people on UC were in the “Other” group
• there were, on average, 52,000 claims and 44,000 starts per week in May 2025, slightly lower than at the same point in May 2024
• there were 6.4 million households on Universal Credit in March 2025, of which 5.9 million (92%) had a Universal Credit payment
• Universal Credit households with children accounted for half (50%) of all households with a payment in March 2025"

I don’t try and convince anyone of anything 😁. Think what you like. Please! I love free speech and wide open discussion based on multiple information sources. You won’t catch me shrieking racism according to my chosen ideological definition and trying to shame people into shutting up about their concerns. Also anyone can search on my name and see what I said and make up their own mind.

I might name change in a day or two though, that thread was weeks ago and I barely post so it’s a little creepy to me that you remember it. You must be on here a LOT…

Ah thanks

It's 34% of the population already - at the current rate of growth it they will be the first government to actually win a majority of the popular vote as well as the seats.. There will be a whole range of people with different intelligence levels.

What popular vote? We’re not in the US - are you?

It’s fact.
As members of the EU most migrants didn’t bother with the dangerous boat journey as we just sent then back without extra process. Brexit stopped that agreement, meaning coming by boat became worthwhile as it became far far more difficult. Hence Farage caused the Brexit boats, which he is now obsessed with fear mongering about.

Follow up question: do you think he wants to deport those with indefinite leave to remain to get rid of his ex-wives and girlfriend?

You keep saying this, but I can well believe that a third of the population are thick and/or racist to be honest. Plenty of both about.

For new applicants. thats different to abolishing it completely including for people who have already gone through the whole process. Including people who received ILR years ago and have worked and paid taxes on good faith since.
Nigel Farage's policy is so deeply unfair and, yes, at odds with "British Values".

Oh he’ll save a lot more than that - as soon as he’s done whatever is needed to stop 20% then the other 80% can also be slashed/stopped. Oh that’s a lorra lorra money isn’t it.

Can you say why we had 80k plus in 2002? Mostly via lorries. That was pre Brexit.

And when you say ‘sent them back’ do you mean the Dublin Agreement?

What Reform policies do you support?