Starmer thinks I am an enemy of the state

[Bumblebee72]

So we have it Starmer has declared at conference because I support Reform I am now an enemy of his Government.

Who would have thought it, a middle class British worker, now an enemy in the country I was born. And they say Reform is the party of Fascists. Yet we also now have the Home Secretary saying "In solving this crisis, you may not always like what I do. We will have to question some of the assumptions and legal constraints that have lasted for a generation and more". Maybe the Home Secretary too will be deemed an enemy of the state.

Am I being unreasonable to think this should be seen as a rallying cry to get this Government out at the first opportunity.

Pray tell us how will Farage return these people if France refuse to let a ship carrying them to dock? Or Afghanistan or other countries refuse to allow a plane to land, parachutes? You and your ilk are in fantasy land if you think it's as easy as 'send them back'
As for leaving the ECHR, be careful what you wish for...

So what do you think will fix the problem? And how do you think Nigel Farage's plans to, among others, end ILR will help?
(Please don't say the solution is paying the Taliban money to take back people fleeing for their lives. I want to retain some hope in human nature).

Disappointed. I thought you were going to say you supported Palestine Action, not bloody Reform

That would illegal. Though it I wouldn't put it past Starmer to prescribe reform. His views on Human Rights seem quite limited to certain type of people.

You will never get everyone agreeing and these sort of posts create so much divide and hate… however, I do get where you are coming from OP. I mean that in the sense that labour have been absolutely, downright awful for the country. Everyone is struggling, no one is better off, people who work hard are getting punished for it, KS is absolutely useless and they basically lied to get into power. I do feel the people of Britain will vote a party like Reform even if they don’t agree with their policies, simply to have a change from Labour and Conservatives. It’s a Trump situation!

And how well is that decision going for the US?

People could always vote Lib Dems, Greens instead of Reform.

I agree with starmer

Not if those parties don't put up candidates. Or if those parties are so marginal that it's a wasted vote

I can't vote for them. They think women can have penises.

Well obviously

But would you really vote for a party with racist policies?

There is not agreeing with every policy and there is not agreeing with racist policies but still vote for them.

I never said things were going well but people were just sick to death of the same old politics, so they took a chance on something completely different. And that’s exactly what will happen in Britain. People voted for Labour out of hope, but look at what’s actually been delivered. As for the Lib Dems or Greens, voting for them won’t change anything because they’ll never overtake the two major parties…and people know it.

We've been over this ad nauseum on numerous threads.
I stand by all previous comments. I am not going to keep repeating just because you are unable to get your head around it.

That's very much down to the UK's voting system.

But if you vote for a party with racist policies, you can't complain about being called a racist.

No, there is blood on the hands of the Tories who allowed the NHS to be underfunded for 14 years, leaving it in the state it's in now.
Farage wants an American based system, to benefit himself and his American friends. Maternal and Infant mortality in the US is the highest of any developed nation. There are huge problems and risks with this. No one goes bankrupt here if they get cancer.

Manage to get my head around people voting for a party with racist policies, you are right about that.

I don't even know who you are planning to vote for, I had you down as a Tory

^this @Bumblebee72

The lib dems have the third largest number of MPs and had their biggest election success in decades in 2024. (They had roughly the same vote share as reform though it was spread out very differently). They didn't get any attention from the media really while reform has got loads, but its a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy to say smaller parties like the Greens and Liberals won't ever overtake the main parties so there's no point voting for them.
I am not shilling for the Lib Dems. I just don't understand the argument that goes "I don't want Reform to get in but Im voting for them because the only other option is the 2 main parties and I'm sick of the mainstream. But actually there are other options but I won't vote for them either because they aren't mainstream enough."

Edited for typo

I don't believe that 36% of the country is racist and fascist. I can't align with Labour due to the deep rooted anti-semitism - I have Jewish heritage.

I could see a reality where Liberal Democrat’s win the next election. If young people are terrified of the prospects of reform, they might vote for Liberal Democrats in large numbers. I can’t see anyone else (apart from Reform) winning the next election.

It's perfectly reasonable not to align with Labour.

I'm not entirely sure why you would think that not aligning with Labour means that you have to support a far right party. And Reform is far right, whatever you might want to argue.

So, by your own logic you're calling everyone who voted Labour anti-Semitic?

But you can align yourself with a party that attracts supporters and candidates who subscribe to the Great Replacement conspiracy theory, which has roots in anti-semitism?

That is not how logic works. The saying "not that all Labour supporters are anti-semits but all anti-semits support Labour" is a better expression of the logic. Labour had to expel their own leader has he was too vocal. Many Labour supporters have twisted it to Not all Reform voters are racist but all racists are reformers - oddly impling that they don't believe being anti Jew is racist.

Newsflash: the country isn't divided into Labour supporters & Reform supporters.

The entire premise of your thread was that you personally had been called an enemy of the people by Keir Starmer. Based on the fact Keir starmer had criticised racism and said Reforms policies were bad for the UK...