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Starmer thinks I am an enemy of the state

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Bumblebee72 · 01/10/2025 10:14

So we have it Starmer has declared at conference because I support Reform I am now an enemy of his Government.

Who would have thought it, a middle class British worker, now an enemy in the country I was born. And they say Reform is the party of Fascists. Yet we also now have the Home Secretary saying "In solving this crisis, you may not always like what I do. We will have to question some of the assumptions and legal constraints that have lasted for a generation and more". Maybe the Home Secretary too will be deemed an enemy of the state.

Am I being unreasonable to think this should be seen as a rallying cry to get this Government out at the first opportunity.

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Rituelec · 01/10/2025 13:02

R0ckandHardPlace · 01/10/2025 10:22

But if people align and march with a party who have clear fascist views, they must take responsibility for educating themselves about the aims and views of that organisation. You can’t say “I’m not racist, I’m happy for people to come here and live and work legally; it’s just the ones coming on boats that I don’t agree with” when Farage has made it clear that he wants to deport EVERYONE who isn’t British born. Even families that have lived and worked here for decades.

Do you agree with that?

Exactly.

Catpuss66 · 01/10/2025 13:02

TwistyTurnip · 01/10/2025 12:39

The left love to preach about tolerance. It’s a shame their tolerance only extends towards those who share exactly the same opinions as them.

Oh so you can spout your intolerance but anyone else is not allowed to. So much for free speech. Support a racist party then you support racism.

JHound · 01/10/2025 13:03

LeaAndDer · 01/10/2025 10:31

my thoughts on this are that for most people who would vote reform would do so as they are fed up with funding illegal able bodied young men. Young men who come here because we give them everything for nothing. Meanwhile our own people are homeless and/or struggling to live despite having jobs. It’s not about being racists its about looking after our own first. I speak as a granny to a mixed race child, so please don’t call me racist for my thoughts.

What does you “being granny to a mixed race child” have to do with the price of milk?

It’s not like you had anything to do with that.

JHound · 01/10/2025 13:04

TwistyTales · 01/10/2025 10:24

He didn't call you or anyone else an enemy of the state. This is what he said:

Controlling migration is a reasonable goal.

But if you throw bricks and smash up private property…

That’s not legitimate – that’s thuggery.

Free speech is a British value – and we have guarded it for centuries.

But if you incite racist violence and hatred…

That’s not expressing concern – it’s criminal.

This party, this great party, is proud of our flags…

Yet if they are painted alongside graffiti…

Telling a Chinese takeaway owner to “go home”…

That’s not pride – that’s racism.

And if you say or imply…

That people cannot be English or British…

Because of the colour of their skin…

That mixed heritage families owe you an explanation…

And that people who have lived here for generations…

Raised their children here…

Built lives in their communities…

Working in our schools, our hospitals, running businesses…

Our neighbours…

If you say they should now be deported…

Then mark my words…

We will fight you with everything we have…

Because you are an enemy of national renewal

I want to know what part of this the MN Reform supporters disagree with.

PraisebetoGod · 01/10/2025 13:06

I'm an insomniac 🎶 🎵 is going round and round in my head.

Ahhhhhh thanks for that @sunandfizz needed this today.

Bumblebee72 · 01/10/2025 13:06

ikeepforgetting · 01/10/2025 13:01

And why it’s suddenly controversial to call out blatant racism (the examples he gave) is appalling when you think about it (if you think about it)

Because those examples are no more reform policy than anti-semitism is Labour policy. No one seems to like reminding that Starmer had to kick out the more vocal need of labour anti-semits.

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HelenaWaiting · 01/10/2025 13:06

EasternStandard · 01/10/2025 12:31

And this too for Labour supporters being in the image of their leader.

Edited

Blimey. You lot really don't have a single original thought, do you?

HelenaWaiting · 01/10/2025 13:07

Bumblebee72 · 01/10/2025 13:06

Because those examples are no more reform policy than anti-semitism is Labour policy. No one seems to like reminding that Starmer had to kick out the more vocal need of labour anti-semits.

Edited

They're Reform policy because you're leader announced them as such.

EasternStandard · 01/10/2025 13:08

HelenaWaiting · 01/10/2025 13:06

Blimey. You lot really don't have a single original thought, do you?

This made me laugh. Blimey you don’t like the same coming back do you?

Can dish it out and all that.

whoopsnomore · 01/10/2025 13:10

Katemax82 · 01/10/2025 10:35

Starmer is an enemy of the state

That is patently ridiculous. Where did you read/hear that?

SatsumaDog · 01/10/2025 13:11

The bottom line is that Reform are gaining support. People are turning to them because they appear to be listening to their concerns whilst Starmer is not. If you back people into a corner they will take the only way out as they see it and right now that’s Reform. If people really want to avoid that then we need to stop the name calling and actually make an effort to understand where this is coming from and for the majority, it’s not racism it’s fear.

What the country needs form Starmer is confidence. Confidence that he’s looking after his electorate, that he has their best interests at heart and he’s listening to them. Right now he’s not doing a convincing job of any of those things.

HelenaWaiting · 01/10/2025 13:11

EasternStandard · 01/10/2025 13:08

This made me laugh. Blimey you don’t like the same coming back do you?

Can dish it out and all that.

Edited

I just really can't stand fascists and racists who want to dismantle the NHS and bring back the workhouse. My bad.

Bumblebee72 · 01/10/2025 13:13

HelenaWaiting · 01/10/2025 13:11

I just really can't stand fascists and racists who want to dismantle the NHS and bring back the workhouse. My bad.

Then don't vote Labour. Or are only concerned about non-jewish racism? They are actively destroying the NHS at the moment.

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PumpkinSparkleFairy · 01/10/2025 13:14

Crikey, aren’t you embarrassed to admit you’re a Reform supporter, OP?? I bloody would be 😂

Bumblebee72 · 01/10/2025 13:15

SatsumaDog · 01/10/2025 13:11

The bottom line is that Reform are gaining support. People are turning to them because they appear to be listening to their concerns whilst Starmer is not. If you back people into a corner they will take the only way out as they see it and right now that’s Reform. If people really want to avoid that then we need to stop the name calling and actually make an effort to understand where this is coming from and for the majority, it’s not racism it’s fear.

What the country needs form Starmer is confidence. Confidence that he’s looking after his electorate, that he has their best interests at heart and he’s listening to them. Right now he’s not doing a convincing job of any of those things.

And action. He is the Prime Minister. People see too concerned about what could happen in the future rather than what is happening now. Reform voters are looking to the future, Labour voters have their fingers in their ears hoping for a miracle.

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IfyouStealMySunshine · 01/10/2025 13:16

There is no way I trust in Nigel Farage after Brexit he loves a speech and riling people up but doesn’t want to actually do the work involved to fix anything. I don’t think he even wants to be PM he just wants to ‘win’.

TwistyTales · 01/10/2025 13:17

Bumblebee72 · 01/10/2025 13:15

And action. He is the Prime Minister. People see too concerned about what could happen in the future rather than what is happening now. Reform voters are looking to the future, Labour voters have their fingers in their ears hoping for a miracle.

Well at least you have accepted that claiming Starmer called you an enemy of the state was a lie. One step at a time.

Bumblebee72 · 01/10/2025 13:17

PumpkinSparkleFairy · 01/10/2025 13:14

Crikey, aren’t you embarrassed to admit you’re a Reform supporter, OP?? I bloody would be 😂

No. I'm not. There are already polling at majority of support, and by the next election there will be a landslide.

The people who should be embarrassed at the moment are whose who voted in the current shit show. Nothing can say anything good about what they have done but criticise what someone in the future might do.

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MyrtleLion · 01/10/2025 13:18

Bumblebee72 · 01/10/2025 11:25

I think that is right. Branding your opposition as the enemy when you are doing a shit job is pointless. But we can all sell they are delivering the opposite of what they promised. The promised benefit reform but have delivered a give away, they promised growth but have delivered job cuts, the promised to smash the gangs but delivered a taxi service from the channel.

It takes time to fix 14 years of cutting public spending.

As of today you can book a GP appointment all day online.

More rights for workers and tenants are coming.
More funding for hospitals will start to show in the next couple of years.
NHS waiting lists are coming down.

But because food costs a fortune (many reasons including price gouging by supermarkets) and wages don't stretch as far as they used to, people think Labour is not doing well.

Reform will never improve this situation. Labour is at least trying.

sunandfizz · 01/10/2025 13:18

PraisebetoGod · 01/10/2025 13:06

I'm an insomniac 🎶 🎵 is going round and round in my head.

Ahhhhhh thanks for that @sunandfizz needed this today.

She was sure to grab the mic when it was time to conclude the Reform conference with the national anthem.

https://youtube.com/shorts/1tKA7_pWAYU?si=3lTIfhjjP9GLE0jp

Before you continue to YouTube

https://youtube.com/shorts/1tKA7_pWAYU?si=3lTIfhjjP9GLE0jp

Bumblebee72 · 01/10/2025 13:18

TwistyTales · 01/10/2025 13:17

Well at least you have accepted that claiming Starmer called you an enemy of the state was a lie. One step at a time.

I didn't say that. You clearly like to read whatever fits with your little echo chamber.

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EasternStandard · 01/10/2025 13:18

SatsumaDog · 01/10/2025 13:11

The bottom line is that Reform are gaining support. People are turning to them because they appear to be listening to their concerns whilst Starmer is not. If you back people into a corner they will take the only way out as they see it and right now that’s Reform. If people really want to avoid that then we need to stop the name calling and actually make an effort to understand where this is coming from and for the majority, it’s not racism it’s fear.

What the country needs form Starmer is confidence. Confidence that he’s looking after his electorate, that he has their best interests at heart and he’s listening to them. Right now he’s not doing a convincing job of any of those things.

Generally even after posts claiming he’s done well his popularity goes down again.

HelenaWaiting · 01/10/2025 13:19

twistyizzy · 01/10/2025 13:14

You're aware that the current NHS plan will just entrench privatisation though?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/sep/30/nhs-10-year-plan-will-embed-privatisation-and-hollow-out-the-health-service

Your unimpeachable source is a letter from a woman in Wirral.

lifeonmars100 · 01/10/2025 13:20

I really hope Reform never attain any sort of real power let alone win the next G E but I sometimes wonder who Farage would put in his cabinet if he does get the keys to No. 10. Skilled and articulate Lee Anderson as Foreign Secretary perhaps or will the post be scrapped because it contains the word "foreign". Tice as Home Secretary even though he spends a significant amount of time in Dubai rather than his home country , maybe they will let Dorries stand for election and celebrate her return to parliament by letting her have her old post of Culture Secretary back. Andrea Jenkyns could return to Education while delighting the country with her musical talents. Of course there will be many unknown faces if they sweep the board as the current polls are predicting so maybe we can look forward to some of the shennagins we are seeing at some of the local councils that are currently run by Reform such as Notts County who are refusing to engage with the local press because they have criticised them

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