Starmer thinks I am an enemy of the state

[Bumblebee72]

So we have it Starmer has declared at conference because I support Reform I am now an enemy of his Government.

Who would have thought it, a middle class British worker, now an enemy in the country I was born. And they say Reform is the party of Fascists. Yet we also now have the Home Secretary saying "In solving this crisis, you may not always like what I do. We will have to question some of the assumptions and legal constraints that have lasted for a generation and more". Maybe the Home Secretary too will be deemed an enemy of the state.

Am I being unreasonable to think this should be seen as a rallying cry to get this Government out at the first opportunity.

Speeches need interpretation, some people are very literal. The newspapers all reached conclusions that agree with me - even the labour ones.

So it is racist to have a policy which keeps out people from some foreign countries, but not all, and which does not specifically target by skin colour?

Exactly this.

And every word is true.

You do know how it worked out for the Democrats in the States when they called trump supporters racist and deplorables don't you?
KEEP TALKING!

Starmer has done himself no favours trashing those thinking about voting Reform. America did the same with Trump. Helped him to win a victory.

It's annoying because I know people who were concerned about migration or concerned about the costs of refugees etc. That all seemed reasonable to me and not automatically racist. I can understand completely the frustration of having genuine concerns and being dismissed as a bigot. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. But when someone gives a speech and says basically, I hear those concerns, we are going to do XYZ, however being racist is not OK, being violent is not OK. And the response is to feel persecuted it sort of suggests that it was about racism all along. At least for the people taking this line. It would be different if it was criticism of the policies Starter was putting forward because they didn't think they would work etc, or because they didn't believe he would do them. But the response seems to be "ha ha he's weak for saying he listens to people. He's persecuting me by criticising racists".

It’s interesting to see the commentary.

Are you being serious? Have you not see the violence and riots that took place last summer? The hotel that was set alight? Are you not reading the news about the racially aggravated assaults and rapes taking place? It may not be exact but it’s on track. That’s why it needs to be called out now so it can be stopped.

It's a slight shift in policy. It's a change to the number of qualifying years and codification of some other measures that were already in place (eg there is already "no recourse to public funds" for most people living legally here who do not yet have ILR). Not, demonstrably not, a "massive" shift at all. Reform supporters really are made in the image of their leader.

I don't think it is racist to want a functioning NHS were people don't die on waiting lists.

Don't forget there is only one party that had to kick out the ex-leader of the opposition for racism, and it wasn't Reform or the Tories.

Not even Reform would be openly targetting by skin colour

But if they only remove ILR retrospectivly from mostly Commonwealth countries and exempt Europeans what would you call it?

It doesn't matter how many times you say it, none of the papers have said Starmer called anyone, least of all you, an "enemy of the state".

And this too for Labour supporters being in the image of their leader.

Starmer is an idiot. He has just dug himself a deeper hole and made it more likely people will vote Reform. Every time he opens his mouth he puts people’s backs up.

Which leader is your image?

I know you call everyone who doesn't agree with you a Labour supporter despite knowing differenly, so who is your leader?

I don't think that is fair at all - their Leader has a job.

Totally agree. Being a Labour support now must be like being a Tory under Sunak, you'd hope they keep their mouth shut so you don't have to defend the ludicrous things they say.

Re a vote I haven’t decided yet. Ask me closer to the time. A few options.

Bollocks. That is not what he said at all. How sad that you have to make up lies in order to get your point across.

Some are eyeing that up still ;

I'm scared about what's going to happen to the NHS. That's what's in the front of my mind when I imagine the next government.

Oh dear. You are getting tetchy.

Good speech. This is a better discussion on what we want Britain to look like and what’s good about it than we’ve had for a long time.

No. But it is naive/gullible/stupid to assume that immigration is the reason people are dying on waiting lists, and not the entirely foreseen consequences of a global pandemic.

The left love to preach about tolerance. It’s a shame their tolerance only extends towards those who share exactly the same opinions as them.