Starmer thinks I am an enemy of the state

[Bumblebee72]

So we have it Starmer has declared at conference because I support Reform I am now an enemy of his Government.

Who would have thought it, a middle class British worker, now an enemy in the country I was born. And they say Reform is the party of Fascists. Yet we also now have the Home Secretary saying "In solving this crisis, you may not always like what I do. We will have to question some of the assumptions and legal constraints that have lasted for a generation and more". Maybe the Home Secretary too will be deemed an enemy of the state.

Am I being unreasonable to think this should be seen as a rallying cry to get this Government out at the first opportunity.

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He’s right. You support a racist party who want to destroy the good things in this country- NHS; tolerance; fairness. If like Farage you are a racist and hate the country and never have a good word to say about it then keep on supporting a racist party. If, however, you are merely racist then there’s still the Tories. They’re racist too- see Kendrick- but at least have some-not many- redeeming qualities.

It is not racist to think that we have had far too many legal immigrants as a result of government policies that were never given a democratic mandate by the voting population, nor is it racist to wish to do something about it.

It is also not racist to not want any extremists, islamists, criminals or people who reject basic western liberal democratic values to be in the country, whether born here or not, nor is it racist to focus deportation efforts on those who are not wanted and not British (whereas trying to deport british criminals is much much harder).

The irony being that Starmer while calling other political parties fascists, is the first PM to jail people, mothers of young children and pensioners, for social media posts.

Farage was almost expelled from the prestigious public-school, Dulwich college as a teenager for racist bullying of another student and openly expressing sympathy and a weird fascination with Nazis.

After a stint in banking, he spent his adult life agitating for Brexit.

The day after the Brexit vote - well, you would think he'd be fighting to stay in politics to show people the Brexit wonders that await.. The sum of his life's amibition - show us the way then Nigel? But no. What did he do? RESIGNS FROM POLITICAL LIFE.

He knew Brexit would be the utter shitshow it has been and he didn't want to be held accountable. He knew better than anyone. So he ran away. Then he gets a slot in LBC to pontificate and whinge about how everyone else is "doing Brexit wrong." Tiy couid t make it up. Can people's memories really be this short?

He will do exactly the same again if elected PM. Just watch, Being an agitator is one thing. But actually having to do the job and take accountability - no way. He will run for the hills. Swivel-eyed snake that he is. Truly a nasty piece of work.

The fact that Starmer is a liar you mean?

"In solving this crisis, you may not always like what I do. We will have to question some of the assumptions and legal constraints that have lasted for a generation and more."

As she said you won't like what she's going to do.

Exactly. I agree with that.

So you presumably voted Tory over the last fourteen years and now you're blaming Labour for the state of the country?

That's the Labour Party that have been in power for a little over....one year.

If you support Reform, you are an enemy of the state. If you vote for a fascist party, you're a fascist. If you support racist parties, you are racist. You may bibble on about Labour "dancing to Reform's tune" but no one in the government is advocating getting rid of Indefinite Leave to Remain. No one in the Labour Party is getting all excited at the prospect of rounding up and deporting, en masse, people who are not white or who were born abroad. Others may make excuses for you; I won't. The Prime Minister may declare you "not racist"; I won't. As far as I'm concerned, Reform supporter = scum of the earth. That's the message that those who don't want to live in a sad, racially "pure" dictatorship should be putting out. It's time to stop walking on eggshells around Reform and their supporters and shove them back under the rock they crawled out from.

I didn’t use that term you did.

Starmer wants to ‘fight’ some will pick up on that, however they wish.

No... It's been from you misinterpreting what I say on other threads. People can keep saying "we don't think people are wrong to be concerned about immigration. However openly racist rhetoric is wrong and targeting people because of their skin colour is wrong." And you and Bumblebee will hear "blah blah blah we want open borders blah blah you are all racist thickoa of you don't".
Labour,.for all their faults, said they would do something about immigration before being elected, said they would try to crack down on the gangs running small boats etc. Now they are. They might be successful, they might not. Time will tell. But it's odd to see that as a bad thing/a sign of defeat when it's what you said you wanted. And it's what they said they would do. The very worst charge you could make is that they have decided to stick by/toughen their policies presumably after listening to people. It surely that would be a good thing.
By the way. by centring Reform in everything, you are also decentring any agency that ordinary people like yourself might have. So you will always feel disempowered and ignored no matter what.

NF hasn’t said anything of the sort. If you want to win the argument, you’ll never do so with such ridiculous distortions and exaggerations. It just makes you look stupid.

Is he?

One of those mothers was jailed for inciting violence something she confessed to.

Reform supporters are really keen to emphasise their British identity and British birth location. Do you not have much else going for you?

And I wholeheartedly agree with him. UK reform it is an enemy what we have to combat with all our might with whatever means necessary.

I don't disagree, although I think they're currently debating their stance.

You are not allowed to say any of this as apparently it makes more people turn to Reform, or makes them vote harder for Reform or something. Poor dears.

I dislike starmer but this speech is very well written and sends a strong message with the right sentiment. Unfortunately many will cherry pick what they want from it without understanding what he’s actually saying.

If @Bumblebee72 actually had the wisdom to listen to the whole speech, she’d not be daft enough to fall for the dog whistle BS of Farage.

What are you talking about?

It’s hard to know what is getting to you. Labour have clearly shifted on policy and rhetoric.

The irony being that people who thought it was fine to call for innocents to be burned to death are now getting all touchy whiny about someone calling Reform's racist deportation policy racist.

Threatening to deport people who have been given a legal right to be here, who entered the country legally, have committed no crime, is morally wrong and (given that Europeans are being exempted) pretty clearly racist too.

Go on Twitter and look at all the posts celebrating the policy because it will "get rid of low quality migrants from Third World countries" - that's the nicest translation I can give them.

If you support this policy you're a shit human being.

Farage has managed to get the Government to change the policy on IDR to

"For that reason, we will soon increase the time in which someone must have lived in this country to earn “indefinite leave to remain” from five years to 10.
.... I will be proposing a series of new tests, such as: being in work; making national insurance contributions; not taking a penny in benefits; learning English to a high standard; having no criminal record; and finally, that you have truly given back to your community, such as by volunteering your time to a local cause."

This is a massive shift in policy. Effective opposition.

Agree poor people voting reform is like Turkey’s voting for Christmas.

I would have had a problem with those words back in the 1980s - but with unions pushing queer theory and an end to women's rights I do genuinely believe that they are now an enemy within (and would say so depite thinking there is a risk with using the word "enemy" because enemies are there to be killed, unlike political opponents.)