Growing trend for halal meat

[SouthernFashionista]

I’m seeing this and it concerns me. I have noticed that Five Guys is now advertising that all its meat is halal and the restaurant in my workplace serves only halal meat. Who is pushing for this and why do the rest of us have no say? For what it’s worth, I am a Black woman, a practising Catholic with many Muslim friends and acquaintances. I don’t believe they are out there demanding halal meat everywhere they go.

Due to religious reasons

What even is this prayer that's played on speakers while the animal is slaughtered? Is it a particular prayer that has to be played or any prayer? Do the people in the slaughtered house have to be Muslim to do this work or can anyone do it? I suspect if no Muslim is present the workers would just switch it off and put the radio on.
I don't dare Google as I've very squeamish and worry what I might see the slaughter described, or much worse, see pictures.

Allah must be invoked verbally by the slaughterer (the animal is being killed in Allah's name, basically). The slaughterer must be Muslim and the animal has to be slaughtered facing Mecca. So it is very much a religious ritual. I'm not personally too bothered about it as a Christian - I don't think invoking Allah / facing Mecca is going to achieve anything either way - but I can understand why some Christians and other non-Muslims ARE uncomfortable. People shouldn't have to join in religious observances they don't believe in or actively object to.

You didn’t cover the Crusades in history I take it?

Dr Taj haregy (sp) has been very vocal on this creep into our society. He's a liberated forward thinking Muslim whose allowed men and women to pray together and gay Muslims, ex Muslims etc .
Unfortunatly I think he was driven out of the UK by the Muslim council of Britain .

Have you ever watched animals slaughtered using the three methods outlined above in a slaughterhouse?

I talked about the process upthread, perhaps you missed it.

If you are concerned about the animals experience of stress, anxiety etc during the process then stop eating meat.
The stunning whether for halal or bolt shooting happens just in the last couple of seconds so the virtue signalling over stunning which affects the last couple of seconds after the journey to and through the abattoir is just that - virtue signalling.

If it was an animal I had reared for food, a clean cut back on the farm without the abattoir process would be a kinder choice. Cutting the arteries in the neck results in unconsciousness in seconds.
Bolt shooting in the abattoir does not always work first time btw.

Amazed but unsurprised at all the posters sooooo horrified by the last couple of seconds of the animals life but quite happy with the animal's life being spent in intensive farming units and sent through the large commercial abattoirs ie the vast bulk of the meat bought and eaten in the UK.

All modern, moderate Muslims are shunned and ostracised. I have so much admiration for them.

So it's not a recording played on a loop?

This.

It wasn't Islamic beliefs that kept Adriana Smith's brain dead body on life support ...

I’m concerned about the encroachment of Islam on our culture. We are historically a Christian country

Historically, yes. Not in practice for a very long time. I've rarely (but occasionally), encountered true Christians in my 75+ years. Muslims make up a very small percentage of our population and out of that percentage, many are nominals.

We are a multi-faith and multicultural society, that includes people of no faith which is growing in number. We must accept and embrace that. I'm a Christian but respect the integrity of others. I do not feel threatened by Islam or any other religion, we're all human beings.

I mean technically it’s the animal that’s participating in a religious observance it may or may not agree with. The end user is just eating a burger. The prayers are for the cow. Cows don’t have any religion. They don’t even have enough of a concept of it, to be atheist. It’s not on their radar. I’m an atheist though, and if someone says they’ll pray for me, I’ll thank them and genuinely think well of them, because even if I don’t believe in their god, the gesture is appreciated. I feel the same way about halal rituals. Praying over the animal you’re slaughtering feels respectful, the draining of blood is for hygiene reasons, halal demands respectful, high animal welfare standards from birth, which is more than can be said for high intensity non-halal farming. I’m not going to get mad about it. Plenty of other stuff to get mad about.

Why must we embrace and accept it? Are you going to tell the Spaniards they need to accept and embrace the contribution the British expats have made to their culture?

In my first post I explained that I am vegetarian primarily for animal welfare issues. I try very hard not to be hypocritical on something as important and controversial as this!

The RSPCA believes that not stunning before slaughter is cruel and causes unnecessary animal suffering. They have no reason to mislead us on this matter.

Whereas those people who would have to join me in vegetarianism if stunning were made compulsory, clearly have a stake (steak?) in keeping the status quo.

And, if someone doesn't want to eat halal or kosher meat in the UK they should be given the necessary information to vote with their wallet.

So, I do believe that the UK Government should:

(1) require ALL halal and kosher meat or meat containing products on sale to the public, to be clearly labelled as such in shops, cafes, and restaurants. Hospitals and schools should have a clearly stated public policy on this issue.

(2) remove the exemption from compulsory stunning on religious grounds - both kosher & halal

We should all be equal before the law. If not stunning before slaughter is considered unacceptable and animal cruelty in the UK, there should be no exemptions on religious grounds.

I wouldn't tell them, I think most already do.

If we accept our multifaith and multicultural society, everyone can relax and, when necessary, be concerned about far more important issues. Younger people - on the whole - they think nothing of it, different strokes for different folk is just how it is.

I hate to break it to you, but in a conventional slaughter houses well over 12% of the meat is killed whilst conscious and aware. A huge number of chickens are killed alive as they shock them at the lowest level possible to avoid damaging the produce. I'm addition a lot of chickens just dodge the electrodes.
With cattle it's a combination of lack of skill of the stunners and that captive bolt guns are a particularly precise tool.
And that's not even going into the fact that I'm a conventional industrial slaughterhouse nothing is done to alleviate the stress and fear of the animals crammed into pens and corridors listening to and smelling the deaths of ours fellow cows.

Agreed - also if historically is the way you want to go - the practice of the Christian faith in its various forms in the UK caused a LOT of bloodshed and violence, centuries of it, on our own shores and abroad.

It’s not the faith that is the problem whether it’s Christianity or Islam, it’s the human practitioners using it as an excuse to be violent or oppressive to other humans

Please provide references for these figures.

If they're correct, then surely that is a scandal and those slaughterhouses should be investigated and prosecuted. I am even more relieved to be vegetarian.

But this in no way negates the principle that we must all be equal before the law. So at the same time the UK law that requires stunning before slaughter at non-religious abattoirs should also be applied to ALL kosher and halal slaughterhouses. No exceptions.

If there were wholly robust evidence that not stunning prior to slaughter is causing additional animal suffering, would you then support removing the exemption for stunning for halal and kosher meat?

That’s not a correct translation. Quote your source. Name the translation.

Clearly translated by a close friend of Tommy Ten Names.

What do you suggest so the Batley teacher can come out of hiding?

Is your job mumsnetting?

Five guys has always been welcoming to Muslims. Even their hotdogs are beef instead of pork, smart business really

You sound like those white people who say they have black friends when they want to pass off a racist comment.

@KitWynyes but that’s man made law. Islam isn’t man made law. It’s from God. One of the last religions he perfected. How many times has science discovered something that Islam outlined many years ago? Stunning an animal is barbaric as it doesn’t always work.