Growing trend for halal meat

[SouthernFashionista]

I’m seeing this and it concerns me. I have noticed that Five Guys is now advertising that all its meat is halal and the restaurant in my workplace serves only halal meat. Who is pushing for this and why do the rest of us have no say? For what it’s worth, I am a Black woman, a practising Catholic with many Muslim friends and acquaintances. I don’t believe they are out there demanding halal meat everywhere they go.

Again read the thread. Most halal meat in the UK is stunned before slaughter.

The halal meat used by Five Guys, which is what this thread is about it stunned before slaughter.

So where are the Christian mobs in the UK? Why are Christian countries less likely to impose death for homosexuality? The mental gymnastics here are embarrassing. You know full well this is FAR more an issue with Islam than Christianity.

Most Halal meat IS stunned. All Halal meat you might encounter in supermarkets, restaurants, schools or hospitals is stunned. By law.

Aye because all the bams shouting about Christianity lately..go to church on a regular basis.
Aye right .to use a good Scottish phrase.

It's an issue with violent people, power hungry people, disrupters, those with criminal intent. Look at the violent riots and mobs after the Southport murders.

Why do we have to go from halal food to "Christianity is bad. Islam is bad. All religions are bad".

I'm proud of my Hindu faith.

As a Christian I'm mildly eye-rolly about meat slaughtered pointing towards Mecca with an invocation of Allah, but then from my POV Mecca's just a random place and the Allah of the Koran is totally made up from Mohammed's imagination and random stories filched third hand from Jewish and Christian scriptures, so I'm mostly pretty shrug about it. But I think its ok to be uncomfortable? You shouldn't be forced to participate in other people's religious rituals if you don't want to be?

Well, until we got buffer zones around abortion clinics, that was where they hung out.

There are currently 6 countries which have the death penalty on the statute book for homosexuality. Of those, 1 is Christian (Uganda). The other five are majority muslim, though one can argue the toss about Nigeria because it is still very mixed. Most of the countries where the death penalty for homosexuality is on the statute books have held it in abeyance for considerable amounts of time.

And just because it is far more an issue with Islam that doesn't make all Muslims the same. This whole thread was started to goad people into more anti Muslim sentiment.

Because this thread isn't about halal meat - it's about how certain posters feel threatened by the existence of muslim people in the UK.

There are 178 Five Guys locations in the United Kingdom. Of these 3 are fully Halal certified and a further 20 serve halal beef alongside non hahal (obviously) pork.
That leaves 155 restaurants which only serve non Halal food.
I don't see the problem.

No! That's not the reason.

Many people are angry that in the UK animals are being slaughtered for meat without being stunned. We require the stunning prior to slaughter as the evidence robustly shows an animal will suffer MORE if it is not stunned.

Both halal and kosher slaughterhouses are exempt from the stunning requirement in the UK - which all others MUST follow or be prosecuted.

• 12% of animals killed for halal meat are fully awake and aware when slaughtered using a knife. (88% are stunned and still considered halal.)
• 100% of animals providing kosher meat are fully awake and aware during slaughter.

Kosher is a much smaller market, hence the focus on halal which can become the cost-effective unlabelled universal default. For example, Five Guys and the workplace canteen mentioned by the OP. It will certainly be difficult to find out if the default halal meat includes unstunned slaughter sources.

Kosher is much more expensive so will be labelled as 'kosher'. People can choose not to buy this unstunned meat.

The RSPCA is very vocal that allowing an exemption from stunning for halal & kosher slaughter is wrong on animal cruelty grounds. They suffer more. Both should be outlawed.

I’m Roman Catholic, not Muslim and I do not see why I should have to eat Halal (or Kosher for that matter, or vegan). It’s about my identity, my culture and my religion.

Having said that, I also recognise that I do have a choice, which is why I haven’t eaten at places like KFC in years, or had a takeaway in a very long time (fantastic for the waistline and health) and I’m very careful about checking codes on meat in supermarkets. In all honestly, I prefer to go to farm shops anyway. If in doubt I buy pork, or eat vegetarian.

Clearly the vast majority of the British public don’t care though, or fewer places would change to 100% Halal. Or perhaps they aren’t aware, I don’t know. But I personally won’t eat Halal.

Maybe they could say the prayers when the burger is cooked rather than when it is killed for those who need Allah's forgiven for killing the cow. Or they could they use a non-denominational poem so that it is suitable for all as they slit the throats.

Show your sources, please. I've seen nothing to suggest this. I would be genuinely delighted if it were true.

Around one-fifth of all animals processed in English & Welsh slaughterhouses, that is 214.6 million, are specifically slaughtered to produce halal meat. This includes chickens as well as sheep and cattle.

12% of a huge number of animals slaughtered for halal meat is still a very large number, namely around 26 million.

So 26 million animals being slaughtered fully awake and aware each year in the UK.

Exemptions for halal and kosher slaughter must end.

Kosher is not being sold in our schools, colleges, workplaces, and takeaways and restaurants, as standard. Halal is.

Stunned halal is.

To put it another way
Meat that has not been stunned before killing is not sold in schools, colleges, workplaces. Meat that has been stunned before killing is sold in those places.

Five Guys has published on their website that they are only using halal meat sourced from abattoirs using stunning before slaughter.

Where do you live that your KFC serves halal food?

Most KFC branches do not serve any halal food.

Around 800 serve no halal food.

Also with chickens - halal slaughter that includes electrical stunning is basically indistinguishable from non halal slaughter that users electrical stunning apart from the prayers on the tannoy. Non halal chickens are slit at the throat and bled as part of the process.

Nice try OP

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/halal-and-kosher-slaughter

"The meat must be intended for consumption by Jewish or Muslim people" (This referring to non-stunned slaughter)

"A,significant proportion of Halal meat comes from animals that are stunned before slaughter"

OneDearWasp · Today 20:09
Most Halal meat IS stunned. All Halal meat you might encounter in supermarkets, restaurants, schools or hospitals is stunned. By law.
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My post was addressing the above claim by OneDearWasp at 20.09

It is good that Five Guys has chosen to source only stunned halal meat. Most large UK Supermarkets do the same, aware from many customer queries and concerned feedback that not stunning before slaughter is wholly unacceptable to the majority of its UK customers.

It is NOT the law however that supermarkets, restaurants etc. MUST source only stunned meat. It is for a business to decide if it wants to source unstunned halal meat.

Some restaurants do, as listed by the website below:

Halal Food Gastronomy
Committed to finding the best Fully Halal Restaurants in the UK. Non-stunned with hand zabiha only, plus vegetarian / vegan options & desserts!
https://halalfoodgastronomy.com/

Aha. It seems a little incoherent then. Restaurants and suppliers only have to CLAIM to sell to Muslims or Jews to be allowed to source non-stunned meat.

I suppose the lobbying from Muslim and Jewish organisations would make banning non-stunned slaughter politically more difficult but, I would have thought, easily achievable. Maybe also banning it would drive it underground and make hygiene and welfare standards fall.

I'd assume that the same business and practical arguments that lead shops, restaurants, schools etc to use Halal meat would not stack up for the more expensive non-stunned meat. There would be far more protest about it as well.

I need the laughing emoji for this!