Growing trend for halal meat

[SouthernFashionista]

I’m seeing this and it concerns me. I have noticed that Five Guys is now advertising that all its meat is halal and the restaurant in my workplace serves only halal meat. Who is pushing for this and why do the rest of us have no say? For what it’s worth, I am a Black woman, a practising Catholic with many Muslim friends and acquaintances. I don’t believe they are out there demanding halal meat everywhere they go.

I wonder whether the OP actually frequents one of the THREE restaurants affected by this policy

https://fiveguys.co.uk/halal/

That would require the OP leaving the house. Not something she does very often at all. Preferring darkened room, Day time TV and mumsnet

The reality is that all halal meat could be stunned and still qualify as halal. You can't stun kosher meat. So even if we made all halal businesses use stunning as part of their butchery, we would have to ban kosher meat to ensure all meat is stunned before slaughter.

No because what I believe to be cruelty was not involved.

Yes. I would like to see the Kosher meat practice ended too.

The halal meat industry wouldn't have to be ended though. 88% is already stunned. So are you saying you would ban kosher meat in this country altogether?

Fascinating comment. I always thought that Muslim scholars had kept libraries and made discoveries centuries ago. Including by building on ancient Greek learning. I didn't take from that that these came from God just a positive human environment for learning to flourish. I'm not sure what scientific discoveries can be claimed by any religion as opposed to researchers who happen to be of that religion.

Also, India called and would like their numerals and, particularly, zero to be recognised.

Thank heavens I don't ascribe all events and discoveries to a God. (This is a joke btw)

Anything that causes unnecessary suffering for no other reason than because some Bronze Age/dark age farmers book says so should not be permitted.

Such hypocrisy!!!!!

If you care about overall animal welfare focus on the whole lifecycle, not the last couple of seconds.

I’m a lifelong vegetarian who has actually seen how the slaughter process works in different circumstances - you apparently haven’t. You have ignored the fact that the halal meat offered outside mosques and religious events is stunned.

I stand by my position - campaign to change the whole process or don’t bother because the focus on the last few seconds for animals whose carcasses are not on the menus or in the supermarkets for general purchase is performant virtue signalling.

Get yourself to a couple of abattoirs, go to intensive farm units - you might find it more enlightening than armchair clicktivism. See also the slaughter of animals using the “old” method in smaller calmer environments.
Then come back and tell us which is better for the overall life and wellbeing of the animal rather than the last few seconds of a subset of meat not even on sale to the general public.

The fact that this method in the last few seconds is relevant to two demographics routinely subjected to racism is just a total coincidence I’m sure. 🙄

So are animals reared differently if going for halal slaughter? Are there halal farms raising them?

I go vegetarian only during Hindu festivals. Otherwise I enjoy my meat. It's good. It's tasty.

This.

If you don't want animal cruelty, don't pay for them to be brought up in hellish conditions without freedom, comfort or anything other than stereotypic behaviour, and brutally killed having never felt anything other than fear and pain.

The halal thing is a straw man.

This must be the most absurd comparison in the history of comparisons. Well done 🤣😬😐😂

THEY CAME FOR YOUR BURGERS
YOU SAID NOTHING

27 pages...
It's not about the meat, or the religion or racism.

It's about the removal of choice.

Also a good idea.

How does it make a difference to you?

I'm sure if these business advertised the meat as 'pre stunned halal' not just 'halal' nobody (or almost nobody) would object. I don't know why they don't. Who cares if the slaughter worker says a prayer while doing it (although I'm a bit surprised a machine isn't doing the final cut). I suppose people might object about discrimination if a significant percentage of meat is slaughtered this way and only Muslims can do it (?) Can non Muslims do the work as long as they say the words?

No needs to be slaughtered by a person considered "a person of the book". Christian, Muslim and Jewish.

Having a choices and making informed decisions matters greatly to me.
Remove choices and you dull everything down - one step closer towards removing critical thinking skills.

Fricking hell. How to say you're a wannabe MAGA, Nigel Farage loving, salivating racist, Islampahobe, anti-semite, anti-immigrant with 0 critical thinking skills and rely on Daily Mail and Sun for all your info. What a cretinous existence you must live.

Halal: Good and pure.* *Animal raised in organic, non-battery type crammed farm, no injections, non-GMO, not sick, reared to the highest standards. Blood is drained to remove any extra toxins that would otherwise cause illnesses to the one eating it but you know carry on being ignorant and get sick slowly from the poor quality meat you are eating.

Its hilarious so many people are actively claiming it to be cruel but will eat chicken pumped full of water and steroids instead of actually reading what halal means.

I mean OP, welcome to the world of people who eat kosher, halal, vegan, vegetarian, don't drink and so on. We simply have ethics and morals that are non-negotiable. If somewhere doesn't serve the food we want to eat, which is pretty much 90% of your typical high street food shops, restaurants etc, we go somewhere else or eat at home as we have done for decades. Unlike you we don't moan and force our beliefs on other people like you ironically are. Halal, kosher and even vegan places are opening up and no one is forcing you to eat it, there is no minority beliefs being imposed. You need a reason as a black woman to be moronically Islamaphobic.

Exactly but as ever let's all be right on and in line with avoiding government wrong think incessant braying about quality of life like we live in America or some third world country that doesn't have standards and legal requirements

Honestly im not even mad im just disappointed

Addressing this part from C8H10N4O2 post

I’m a lifelong vegetarian who has actually seen how the slaughter process works in different circumstances - you apparently haven’t. You have ignored the fact that the halal meat offered outside mosques and religious events is stunned.
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This isn't true!

Please see the below website which lists UK restaurants for those wanting to eat only unstunned meat. I'm sure there will be some diners who are unaware that they are eating unstunned meat, and would be very distressed and gone elsewhere if they knew.

https://halalfoodgastronomy.com/

Plus we should still all be equal before the law.

The religious exemption that allows the exclusion of women from being Catholic Priests or Imams is wrong. But at least the women affected can argue for change from within, or (in the UK) choose to leave the religion completely.

Farm animals have no voice and no choice. What animal welfare laws we do have should be obeyed and all special pleading is ignored.

You are completely right that much more needs to be done on animal welfare and on the full slaughtering process (including travel) in particular. But this doesn't mean that stunning before slaughter doesn't matter in the bigger picture. It does matter!

No-one honestly believes that it is kinder that an animal is to be fully awake while its throat is slit and it slowly bleeds out. No-one.

Islam like Christianity, is a MANs interpretation of God. Religion is not perfect but it is routinely used as a weapon or a means to avoid accountability by men who has been corrupted by the power and control that blind faith gives them. Why would they grow or move with the times and lose that power?

Men (many not all) are the problem.