Growing trend for halal meat

[SouthernFashionista]

I’m seeing this and it concerns me. I have noticed that Five Guys is now advertising that all its meat is halal and the restaurant in my workplace serves only halal meat. Who is pushing for this and why do the rest of us have no say? For what it’s worth, I am a Black woman, a practising Catholic with many Muslim friends and acquaintances. I don’t believe they are out there demanding halal meat everywhere they go.

People should have a choice. Surely the muslims could have the vegetarian meals and just have non halal meat to be served. School districts for example. Musilms can just eat the vegetarian meals, and the meat eaters can have the non halal meat.

There should be a choice. In a few cases there isn't and it's just catered towards halal meats.

YANBU because it is a concerning trend regarding the yookayification of the UK.

But YABU for eating animlas in the first place. Go vegan, you might like it. The animals certainly will.

The other 12% is for religious use only and therefore wouldn't be part of the mass produced halal meat that is sold to mainstream restaurants and supermarkets.

The religious exemption is very specific which means it would likely be meat for temples and specifically islamic institutions.

Do you have the same issue with Kosher restaurants, given that the majority of Halal meat available to the wider public is stunned, but that there is no similar exception for Kosher?

You're right! The large majority of halal meat in the UK is already produced by stunning the animal first (around 88%).

So, why not legislate to make it 100%?

If the meat is stunned (as 88% is) what would the issue be?

All gods are odd if you think of it like that. But mine is indeed a challenging one. Very few followers make it our Heaven,

All animal slaughter is barbaric. Anyone who tries to convince themselves that their non halal / organic / grass fed / fed on trifle meat is somehow kidding themselves.

This is yet another way of creating division between ‘us’ and ‘them’. Who knew that a fucking beef burger would be the final straw?

Do they serve pork bacon there? The website says they do. I suspect that the website is accurate. I wonder if the sign perhaps says "all our beef is halal"

The other 12% covers kosher and halal and is sold for religious purposes.

Can only speak for our local slaughter houses, which supply halal and ‘none halal’ meat, but all animals are killed the same way there. So the none halal is actually halal, just not sold as such.

If that is the case why can't the Muslims eat non halal meat?

Have you been to a 'normal' abattoir? There are clips online to be viewed, dont expect to sleep for quite a few nights if you dare to see them. If you eat any meat at all, then you dont really have a leg to stand on complaining about halal.

That's the meat that's not allowed onto the open market.

Be honest. If an animal you cared about had to be put down, would you choose?

1. Stunning and then bolt fired through the brain
2. Stunning then throat slit
3. Throat slit only

Injection of an overdose of an anaesthetic is not a possibility. Just the 3 above. What option is the least worst?

I won’t eat anywhere that has halal meat.
I find it abhorrent. I am not a big meat eater anyway but it’s absolutely not for me.

If animal welfare at the point of slaughter is genuinely a concern...

Then you will of course @SouthernFashionista be campaigning or supporting campaigns to improve that welfare.

Better lairage standards, ensuring food and water stops in travel are adhered to, that travel times and distance limits are not ignored, that all staff treat animals respectfully, that pre-stunning is done calmly and effectively....

As a PP mentioned - only 12% of UK halal meat is not pre-stunned, 100% of kosher meat is not pre-stunned.

If this was truly about animal welfare you'd be lobbying government to insist that ALL slaughter is done with pre-stunning.

If you're not doing that - then you couldn't give a shit about animal welfare, you are just spouting ignorance, flavoured with racism.

If anyone really wants ethical humane meat, then you need to buy it from small producers who use small local abbatoirs, where animals are processed in tiny batches, they never hear or see other animals being slaughtered, the workers can take their time to ensure animals are not stressed.

A friend of mine produces rare breed pork this way - two or three weaners go at a time, they travel with their pigs, they watch the stunning, sticking and butchering (theres a gallery so owners can do that) and the whole thing takes a around four hours from collected from the field to back home and in the freezer.

Of course that pork is very expensive and you won't find it in a chain restaurants food. But some of us believe we shouldn't be eating much meat and so what we do it can be reasonably expensive.

They can if they choose to. Just like many Jews eat bacon.

No, they don 't. When it comes to restaurants, they can eat elsewhere. When it comes to schools, they can choose the vegetarian option or bring a packed lunch. In hospitals they can get their relatives to bring in food, or again choose the vegetarian option.

Whether you kiss and cuddle an animal before it is killed or you do it with a swift, deep incision to the throat with a very sharp knife - at the end of the day you are killing an animal to eat....I don't understand the anti-halal rant, unless you are vegetarian/vegan and against ALL killing of animals in order to fill our stomachs 😐

This bothers me too, I noticed it yesterday when trying to find somewhere to eat in Leeds. I don’t eat much meat anyway, but it is nice to have some on occasion and I won’t knowingly eat halal meat. I can understand it makes sense in predominantly Muslim areas, but it seems to be becoming the norm everywhere, especially in chain restaurants.

The uproar about halal is misplaced due to lack of knowledge. Having worked in the supermarket/ food retail for a long time i recommend people seriously look at standard non halal abattoir practices. Also the hours of transport animals undertake.Please see requirements fr halal in the picture. If you are horrified by halal you should be vegetarian or only buy organic locally produced and slaughtered meat.

What are these 'religious purposes' that means halal meat good enough for ordinary Muslims, now requires the animal to be fully awake when their throat is slit and they bleed to death?

I'm genuinely interested to understand the need.

Why, as a vegetarian, are you suggesting we make Muslim children eat non-halal meat? What if they too are vegetarian? Should we make vegetarian children eat bacon?

For what it’s worth I’m vegetarian but halal meat is much much crueler. The animals aren’t stunned first. I guess that’s what people object to! They are sentient beings and they feel

Far too sensible a response.

Unfortunately rational vegans and vegetarians are a minority group.