Reform voters may not be racist but they are at least dangerously naive

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AIBU to accept that some Reform voters may not actually be racist, but to be pretty certain that, if they're not, they are at the very least dangerously naive?

I thought we all got taught at school about how fascism took over in 1939s Germany? And there's so much out there at the moment showing why we are at a dangerous turning point in history again.

Why is it that the so-called non-racist Reform voters not see that they are aligning themselves with a covertly racist and fascist-leaning party and that their support risks tipping the balance towards a fascist dictatorship in the UK?

The rise of Reform is in direct correlation to Labour and its policies. Starmer appears to be waking up to the threat belatedly, with any forced counter-move to the right, likely to tear the party asunder.

Personally, I have no particular desire for a Reform government, but they are the ‘medicine’ to cure this wretched socialist experiment - let’s hope that the patient survives.

The Tories are obviously out for the time being, perhaps permanently, and I have it from the inside that Kemi is not ‘the one’.

As to your hoary old Brexit discussions - isn’t hindsight and revisionism a wonderful thing? Incidentally, the EU of today, also bears little resemblance to the one we left in 2016 (you may have noticed).

Ergh, the left on here are always so degrading of those who have different political leanings to themselves. Reform voters aren't lacking in critical thinking, they just know that the country cannot sustain this level of migration. We simply do not have the infrastructure to support it. It's not just reform who are saying these things either. Conservatives are saying the same thing. Kemi Badenoch is always talking about the need for strong borders and deportations. Is she nieve too? What makes you and those like you thunk your are so bright and full of wisdom that you know better?

Which area of law, please?

Someone once shoved one through my catflap. Fortunately it was able to eat solids and I took it to the Cat Rescue next day....my cats were not impressed...

Oh bless you! It's about 6-8 weeks old. A fluffy black thing. I rang cats protection and emailed the RSPCA. It's in a room away from my cats and warm. Litter tray, whisked egg and wet food as it's probably weened.

I think I might have a new monster. Why would someone just dump it? Bloody nice basket though, so it's a posh monster.

How is that a benefit of Brexit? It’s fine to admit you were ignorant of how the courts work.

The European Court of Justice and the UK Supreme Court are two completely separate legal systems.

The Supreme Court is the final appeal court in matters of UK law, deciding on cases that have come up from the Court of Appeal, which originated in lower courts such as the Crown Court or the High Court.

The European Court of Justice deals with matters of European law, which is completely separate.

If, prior to Brexit, you wanted to litigate on a matter of European law, you would do that in the European Court of Justice.

If the issue concerned a matter of UK law, it would start in a lower court, then if granted leave to appeal, go up to the Court of Appeal, and then if granted further leave to appeal, go up to the Supreme Court. There is nowhere for your case to go after the Supreme Court. This has always been the case.

I don't know who told you otherwise, but they are either an idiot or a liar.

Reform rose under the Tory's.

Everyone knows that.

Reform rose well before Labours victory.

And where is this “socialist experiment” happening?

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Commercial contracts, if you really want to know. (Although I do have a master's degree in European law.) But it doesn't matter which area of law I practise, because this is day one of law school stuff.

No they did not.

I wouldn't clap too hard because some people are currently proving just how thick they are.

You are just not getting it are you.Just because you want it not to be so doesn’t make it.

The Tories did nothing about it in their years in power so hardly The Left.

You are patently wrong, sorry.

Reform won five seats, had 609 candidates and received 14.3% of the vote in the 2024 general election.

Since Labour came to power, Reform are now forecast to take 34% of the vote.

Which hasn't happened.

When people argue that we should “engage with and hear Reform voters” I want them to read that comment thread and see why it’s a waste of
time.

This is it really. Forecast.

Guessing. Stories.

I’m not. Their rise started under the Tories and most of the collapse in the Tory vote has gone to Reform.

To copy Megan..... "Yet". But it will, and they've got another three years to build more momentum. Never before has a government dropped support so fast.

Commercial contracts? So, contract law. Ok, that’s broad, and could be a junior role, with respect.

I ask seeing as you sought to burnish your credentials, via your profession.

14% pre Labour
Another 20% post-Labour.

I will stick with my maths, thanks.

Again anyone.

Adopted 6 months old. Under thatcher given idl

Lived here my entire life.

Why should I leave?
Reform have categorically said I'd have to. I'm disabled.

What did I do?

So let's assume the benefits available to a 26 year old single woman with a 3 year old child:
Total Universal Credit : £1,116.22 per month (£13,394.64 per year)
Total PIP: £187.45 per week (£9,747.40 per year)
Child Benefit (weekly rate, for one child)
• Eldest/only child: £26.05 per week (£1,354.60 per year)
Total benefits excluding any housing benefit, council tax reduction or free prescriptions is £24,946 per annum tax free.

In comparison the starting salary for a newly qualified nurse at Band 5 is around £31,000 per year in 2025 which after deductions for income tax, National Insurance, and mandatory NHS pension contributions, the average annual take-home pay is around £23,800. Out of which you also need to pay for childcare whilst you are at work.

In short a big reason we have 9.2 million economically inactive people in the UK and import legal migrants to do jobs such as nursing is that it both financially better off and a whole lot easier to be on benefits than to work