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Reform voters may not be racist but they are at least dangerously naive

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ChocolateMagnum · 29/09/2025 08:00

AIBU to accept that some Reform voters may not actually be racist, but to be pretty certain that, if they're not, they are at the very least dangerously naive?

I thought we all got taught at school about how fascism took over in 1939s Germany? And there's so much out there at the moment showing why we are at a dangerous turning point in history again.

Why is it that the so-called non-racist Reform voters not see that they are aligning themselves with a covertly racist and fascist-leaning party and that their support risks tipping the balance towards a fascist dictatorship in the UK?

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 20:38

Bumblebee72 · 29/09/2025 20:37

Yeah as people have said institutionalised benefits.

That's not stopping people from applying for nursing degrees.

brokenpiggybank · 29/09/2025 20:39

Toastandbutterand · 29/09/2025 20:31

Just out of interest, how many white british people have been convicted or suspected of poaching in the last 20 years?

Or do you only do immigrants?

Just for you...

https://churchinparliament.org/2024/03/21/bishop-of-st-albans-asks-about-animal-welfare-prosecutions/

GabrielsOboe · 29/09/2025 20:39

PandoraSocks · 29/09/2025 20:24

I'd advise you stay away from M&S then, they have a new lunchtime treat 😄

That someone took the trouble to make that, is rather pathetic, frankly.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 29/09/2025 20:40

Goldenbear · 29/09/2025 17:38

Of course it's relevant, it is wholly relevant, we are a Northern Western European country for a start, Turkey is not!

And you think that makes a difference.

Bumblebee72 · 29/09/2025 20:41

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 20:37

Yeah yeah, it's always someone else's fault.

Too right. The conservatives screwed up Brexit, and labour are now digging us even deeper. We need a reform government.

At least the UK was able to define what a women is for itself. It mind that was worth leaving the EU for alone.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 20:43

Bumblebee72 · 29/09/2025 20:41

Too right. The conservatives screwed up Brexit, and labour are now digging us even deeper. We need a reform government.

At least the UK was able to define what a women is for itself. It mind that was worth leaving the EU for alone.

Good grief.

The Supreme Court judgment had nothing to do with Brexit.

Indefinite leave to remain is for legal immigrants.

And the reason Brexit is shit is because it was a shit idea.

Who will you blame next, after Reform fuck things up even more?

BundleBoogie · 29/09/2025 20:43

1dayatatime · 29/09/2025 19:16

The bill to ban first cousin marriages was opposed by both a Muslim MP and a large Muslim Community organisation :

"In the Commons, Iqbal Mohamed, Independent MP for Dewsbury and Batley, said “genetic test screening” was a better approach to “documented health risks” of cousin marriage and that a ban would not be “effective or enforceable”.

Meanwhile, a spokesperson for Ahmadiyya Muslim Community UK, which represents 30,000 Muslims, said a “damaging” ban would “curb fundamental freedoms and stigmatise”, and that “marriages within extended families often are a means of providing support, stability and love within the family unit”.

Born in Bradford found six out of 100 children born to first-cousin marriage had a “congenital anomaly” or recessive condition."

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2025/jan/17/tory-bill-to-ban-marriage-between-cousins-is-damaging-and-unenforceable

Thank you for sharing. I wonder how he thinks this ‘genetic test screening’ will work?

Is abortion totally acceptable in Islam or will the parents just know they are having a disabled child ahead of time?

This adds medical procedures to try and mitigate a problem that shouldn’t exist and adds further load to the NHS. Not to mention the ethics of knowingly creating children that have a greatly increased risk of disability and will need large amounts of lifelong care.

ladykale · 29/09/2025 20:43

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 18:24

Here's a question for Reform voters.

If what you and Farage are concerned about is illegal migrants living in migrants hostels, why do there need to be any policies at all about people who already have indefinite leave to remain, who are by definition people living in the UK legally?

We all KNOW the answer but no one appears honest enough to answer this..!

JHound · 29/09/2025 20:43

brokenpiggybank · 29/09/2025 20:36

We have done and have come to the conclusion that the government was full of Remainers who didn't actually want to leave and put baffles in the way.

That's why David Davies resigned as Brexit secretary because Maybe May kept changing her mind about what we wanted.

We should have had a Hard Brexit or a No Deal Brexit instead of the wishy washy deal we did get.

Ha ha ha!

Pull the other one.

Toastandbutterand · 29/09/2025 20:44

Bloody hell, they can't just answer a question can they?

More than 4 since 2019 then.

brokenpiggybank · 29/09/2025 20:44

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 20:37

Yeah yeah, it's always someone else's fault.

Well it wasn't the fault of the electorate that voted for it !

It was the politicians that had too many fingers in too many pies in Europe that kept voting various ideas down.

Lovelynames123 · 29/09/2025 20:45

Dragonfly97 · 29/09/2025 08:39

I agree; GB "News" has a lot to answer for; my 92 year old dad has it on all day, and believes every word they say. He has 3 daughters and 2 grand daughters, and appears not to give a stuff how a Reform government would affect them.

My dad is the same, nearly 79, dds and dgds, discoverer yesterday he watches GB news all day. We had to agree to disagree but pretty disappointing

Clavinova · 29/09/2025 20:45

Toastandbutterand · 29/09/2025 20:31

Just out of interest, how many white british people have been convicted or suspected of poaching in the last 20 years?

Or do you only do immigrants?

I googled swan eating convictions only on this occasion.

As an aside, I do remember reading this poaching tale from Poland;

The mayor of a village in Poland is accused of poaching a bison, which is a protected species, and seeking to sell its head as a trophy

https://notesfrompoland.com/2021/03/19/polish-village-mayor-charged-with-killing-protected-bison-and-trying-to-sell-head-as-trophy/

Other interesting poaching tales are available.

Polish village mayor accused of killing protected bison and trying to sell head as trophy

https://notesfrompoland.com/2021/03/19/polish-village-mayor-charged-with-killing-protected-bison-and-trying-to-sell-head-as-trophy/

JHound · 29/09/2025 20:45

brokenpiggybank · 29/09/2025 20:44

Well it wasn't the fault of the electorate that voted for it !

It was the politicians that had too many fingers in too many pies in Europe that kept voting various ideas down.

Yes that’s why it hasn’t worked….

Toastandbutterand · 29/09/2025 20:45

Bumblebee72 · 29/09/2025 20:41

Too right. The conservatives screwed up Brexit, and labour are now digging us even deeper. We need a reform government.

At least the UK was able to define what a women is for itself. It mind that was worth leaving the EU for alone.

They defined it under a labour government.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 20:45

ladykale · 29/09/2025 20:43

We all KNOW the answer but no one appears honest enough to answer this..!

Yes, they are all avoiding answering that question.

Apart from one person who was at least honest enough to say that if the person is no longer a net contributor then they should be kicked out, but didn't confirm whether that should also apply to people who have become ill or disabled, the spouses and parents of British citizens, or retired people.

Kateluvscats1 · 29/09/2025 20:45

HedwigEliza · 29/09/2025 08:27

You underestimate the majority’s feelings on this. MN is a left-leaning echo chamber and no reflection on society as a whole. 72% of the voting public in the UK wants immigration numbers lowered.

Do you remember MN pre-Brexit when everyone here was absolutely convinced it wouldn’t happen and anyone who offered a different opinion was abused and shamed into silence?

How did that work out? Shock and horror and ‘how could this happen?’ Because you insist on writing people off as naive fools instead of engaging with their concerns and listening.

You've summed up my entire feelings on this subject, I echo your views. Thank you.

Toastandbutterand · 29/09/2025 20:46

Clavinova · 29/09/2025 20:45

I googled swan eating convictions only on this occasion.

As an aside, I do remember reading this poaching tale from Poland;

The mayor of a village in Poland is accused of poaching a bison, which is a protected species, and seeking to sell its head as a trophy

https://notesfrompoland.com/2021/03/19/polish-village-mayor-charged-with-killing-protected-bison-and-trying-to-sell-head-as-trophy/

Other interesting poaching tales are available.

This is relevant how?

brokenpiggybank · 29/09/2025 20:46

JHound · 29/09/2025 20:45

Yes that’s why it hasn’t worked….

It depends what you mean by "not worked" ?

Bumblebee72 · 29/09/2025 20:48

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 20:43

Good grief.

The Supreme Court judgment had nothing to do with Brexit.

Indefinite leave to remain is for legal immigrants.

And the reason Brexit is shit is because it was a shit idea.

Who will you blame next, after Reform fuck things up even more?

Without Brexit the Supreme Court wouldn't have been the final arbiter and it would have gone to the European court. At best we would still be waiting for a decision, at worst it the ruling would have been overturned. Have you already forgotten how everything used to be applied to Europe. At the same time that our court clearly defined a women, the European courts made it mandatory to allow people to self id on docs.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 20:48

brokenpiggybank · 29/09/2025 20:44

Well it wasn't the fault of the electorate that voted for it !

It was the politicians that had too many fingers in too many pies in Europe that kept voting various ideas down.

No, it was the politicians SUCH AS FARAGE who lied to the electorate and sold them a dream of Brexit that was never going to be on offer.

And you know what?

Farage knew it was never going to be on offer. That wasn't the point. He and his friends got even richer from Brexit, and that was the point.

He's just a rabble rouser. He doesn't care about anything except his own personal gain, and he knows that tapping into people's discontentment is the best way to cause trouble.

Bumblebee72 · 29/09/2025 20:49

Toastandbutterand · 29/09/2025 20:45

They defined it under a labour government.

We no right of appeal to the European Courts as in the past.

GabrielsOboe · 29/09/2025 20:49

Now that Shabana Mahmood has also pledged to crack down on ILR, during her conference speech today, will she also face the same accusations Starmer made of Farage i.e. of being a ‘racist’ and ‘immoral?’

Or does the old two-tier again come out to play?

Toastandbutterand · 29/09/2025 20:49

Toastandbutterand · 29/09/2025 20:38

Loads.

I'm adopted at 6 months.

Ilr.

Tell me why I should leave this country and be made a criminal.

Anyone?

BundleBoogie · 29/09/2025 20:50

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 19:34

It's getting really noticeable now that no one is willing to answer the question about legal immigrants.

Give me a chance. I was cooking dinner!!

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