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Reform voters may not be racist but they are at least dangerously naive

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ChocolateMagnum · 29/09/2025 08:00

AIBU to accept that some Reform voters may not actually be racist, but to be pretty certain that, if they're not, they are at the very least dangerously naive?

I thought we all got taught at school about how fascism took over in 1939s Germany? And there's so much out there at the moment showing why we are at a dangerous turning point in history again.

Why is it that the so-called non-racist Reform voters not see that they are aligning themselves with a covertly racist and fascist-leaning party and that their support risks tipping the balance towards a fascist dictatorship in the UK?

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Fleetheart · 29/09/2025 20:21

PS this swan eating fiasco is ridiculous. Do we think that all Yorkshiremen are rapists and murderers just because of the Yorkshire Ripper. Even if some immigrants have eaten a swan it’s not a normal characteristic!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 20:22

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 20:04

That's not even the policy.

The policy is to abolish it altogether, remove it from people who already have it, and make people apply for temporary visas.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/53070-what-do-britons-really-think-about-scrapping-indefinite-leave-to-remain

According to this, about 1 in 20 people surveyed thinks that people who currently have indefinite leave to remain and are married to a British citizen or have a child who is a British citizen should be made to leave the country.

And Farage's policy would enable that.

But why?

If the problem is people in small boats, why attack people with indefinite leave to remain?

Is no one going to condemn this?

JHound · 29/09/2025 20:22

hamstersarse · 29/09/2025 19:53

All lovely English names

Cool racism bro.

Bumblebee72 · 29/09/2025 20:23

Digdongdoo · 29/09/2025 17:15

Times have changed though haven't they? Nurses didn't used to need degrees. Different ball game these days. Not so easy to just train more of them, or to fund the salaries they would demand. If it was that easy, wouldn't upskilling Brits be Nige's big plan, his headliner?

So Brits are too thick to be nurses? and reform voters are the racists?

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 29/09/2025 20:23

PandoraSocks · 29/09/2025 17:08

I suspect you are right.

I suspect you are just in head in the sand mode.

JHound · 29/09/2025 20:23

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 20:22

Is no one going to condemn this?

You expect Reform voters to condemn this?

PandoraSocks · 29/09/2025 20:24

Clavinova · 29/09/2025 20:18

You should be proud

As proud as a swan.

I'd advise you stay away from M&S then, they have a new lunchtime treat 😄

Reform voters may not be racist but they are at least dangerously naive
MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 20:25

JHound · 29/09/2025 20:23

You expect Reform voters to condemn this?

I expect Reform voters who believe they are not racist to condemn it, yes.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 20:26

Bumblebee72 · 29/09/2025 20:23

So Brits are too thick to be nurses? and reform voters are the racists?

If an unemployed British person has the necessary skills and qualities to be a nurse, why are they not already a nurse?

Uggbootsforever · 29/09/2025 20:27

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 20:26

If an unemployed British person has the necessary skills and qualities to be a nurse, why are they not already a nurse?

Benefits.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 29/09/2025 20:28

Toastandbutterand · 29/09/2025 17:18

Reforms voters certainly aren't waving any flags for kindness, caring, compassion or fairness, that's for sure.

And the middle class left aren’t giving two shits for anyone less affluent who is affected.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 20:28

Uggbootsforever · 29/09/2025 20:27

Benefits.

I don't think someone who would rather sit around on benefits than do something worthwhile does have the necessary qualities to be a nurse though.

Nursing is a vocation.

BundleBoogie · 29/09/2025 20:30

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 19:10

Yes but I keep asking about the legal immigrants who have indefinite leave to remain and no one seems to want to answer that question.

If the problem is illegal immigrants, why is Farage even talking about people with indefinite leave to remain?

Edited

He invented this status for illegal immigrants to clear a backlog.

Through which routes can people be ‘legal immigrants’ and get ILR?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 20:30

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 29/09/2025 20:28

And the middle class left aren’t giving two shits for anyone less affluent who is affected.

It's not a race to the bottom.

You can be concerned about illegal immigration and people coming over in small boats without supporting policies which would allow people who have lived in the UK legally for years to be deported.

Toastandbutterand · 29/09/2025 20:31

Clavinova · 29/09/2025 20:18

You should be proud

As proud as a swan.

Just out of interest, how many white british people have been convicted or suspected of poaching in the last 20 years?

Or do you only do immigrants?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 20:31

BundleBoogie · 29/09/2025 20:30

He invented this status for illegal immigrants to clear a backlog.

Through which routes can people be ‘legal immigrants’ and get ILR?

Jesus, you don't have a fucking clue, do you?

Uggbootsforever · 29/09/2025 20:31

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 20:28

I don't think someone who would rather sit around on benefits than do something worthwhile does have the necessary qualities to be a nurse though.

Nursing is a vocation.

You seem to live in a fantasy world where everybody feels their job is their life’s calling and people are born to fulfil a vocation of one kind or another. Newsflash - most people, nurses or not, choose a job based on what pays well, what is convenient for them, and that they don’t find too tedious or unenjoyable.

It isn’t a prerequisite that you have to be completely and utterly in love with your job to do it to a satisfactory standard.

Out of interest isn’t it more worrying that somebody would apply for a job to get a VISA?

Bumblebee72 · 29/09/2025 20:32

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 20:28

I don't think someone who would rather sit around on benefits than do something worthwhile does have the necessary qualities to be a nurse though.

Nursing is a vocation.

Luckily then your opinion does really matter in the case. So hard believe that people so keen to welcome immigrants from around the world to seem woke, that they will just write off the British Young. It's the Labour Party doctrine, get people hocked the state support so they vote for you and bring in more people to do the work.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 20:33

Bumblebee72 · 29/09/2025 20:32

Luckily then your opinion does really matter in the case. So hard believe that people so keen to welcome immigrants from around the world to seem woke, that they will just write off the British Young. It's the Labour Party doctrine, get people hocked the state support so they vote for you and bring in more people to do the work.

Is there anything stopping the British young from applying for nursing degrees?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 20:36

Uggbootsforever · 29/09/2025 20:31

You seem to live in a fantasy world where everybody feels their job is their life’s calling and people are born to fulfil a vocation of one kind or another. Newsflash - most people, nurses or not, choose a job based on what pays well, what is convenient for them, and that they don’t find too tedious or unenjoyable.

It isn’t a prerequisite that you have to be completely and utterly in love with your job to do it to a satisfactory standard.

Out of interest isn’t it more worrying that somebody would apply for a job to get a VISA?

Yesterday I fainted at a major public event and woke up in an ambulance.

I was treated by at least half a dozen medical professionals, all of whom were kind, competent, and had the necessary training and skills to make sure I was OK.

If you'd rather be treated in your most vulnerable moments by someone who is only doing it because their dole money has been stopped, that's on you. But I would not.

brokenpiggybank · 29/09/2025 20:36

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 08:33

I wonder whether any Reform voters ever ask themselves why leaving the EU didn't actually fix anything.

We have done and have come to the conclusion that the government was full of Remainers who didn't actually want to leave and put baffles in the way.

That's why David Davies resigned as Brexit secretary because Maybe May kept changing her mind about what we wanted.

We should have had a Hard Brexit or a No Deal Brexit instead of the wishy washy deal we did get.

Bumblebee72 · 29/09/2025 20:37

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 20:33

Is there anything stopping the British young from applying for nursing degrees?

Yeah as people have said institutionalised benefits.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 29/09/2025 20:37

Digdongdoo · 29/09/2025 17:37

No it isn't.

Yes it is.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 20:37

brokenpiggybank · 29/09/2025 20:36

We have done and have come to the conclusion that the government was full of Remainers who didn't actually want to leave and put baffles in the way.

That's why David Davies resigned as Brexit secretary because Maybe May kept changing her mind about what we wanted.

We should have had a Hard Brexit or a No Deal Brexit instead of the wishy washy deal we did get.

Yeah yeah, it's always someone else's fault.

Toastandbutterand · 29/09/2025 20:38

BundleBoogie · 29/09/2025 20:30

He invented this status for illegal immigrants to clear a backlog.

Through which routes can people be ‘legal immigrants’ and get ILR?

Loads.

I'm adopted at 6 months.

Ilr.

Tell me why I should leave this country and be made a criminal.

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