Reform voters may not be racist but they are at least dangerously naive

[ChocolateMagnum]

AIBU to accept that some Reform voters may not actually be racist, but to be pretty certain that, if they're not, they are at the very least dangerously naive?

I thought we all got taught at school about how fascism took over in 1939s Germany? And there's so much out there at the moment showing why we are at a dangerous turning point in history again.

Why is it that the so-called non-racist Reform voters not see that they are aligning themselves with a covertly racist and fascist-leaning party and that their support risks tipping the balance towards a fascist dictatorship in the UK?

They were illegal immigrants. Apparently Boris wanted to make them ‘legal’ because he’d built up such a backlog on the process and couldn’t deport them all so he gave up. He didn’t ask us if we were happy with that.

Well I haven't told you to, "shut up" and I wouldn't as it's rude.

Thanks for sharing your argument.

Yes but I keep asking about the legal immigrants who have indefinite leave to remain and no one seems to want to answer that question.

If the problem is illegal immigrants, why is Farage even talking about people with indefinite leave to remain?

Thank you. I have been told to shut up on other threads.

I am just a normal mum who isn’t a racist (and bored of the accusation) and wants us all to be able to have open conversations about this.

At least the government acknowledging the issue helps that a bit. I feel like, despite a bit of roughhousing that we are at least making some progress on here.

Wow! How weird. Feel free to chuck it my way - the kids are desperate for a new kitten after ours was run over but dh insists on waiting for the cat distribution system.

We may be waiting some time unless some bloke turns up in my doorstep with a random kitten.

The bill to ban first cousin marriages was opposed by both a Muslim MP and a large Muslim Community organisation :

"In the Commons, Iqbal Mohamed, Independent MP for Dewsbury and Batley, said “genetic test screening” was a better approach to “documented health risks” of cousin marriage and that a ban would not be “effective or enforceable”.

Meanwhile, a spokesperson for Ahmadiyya Muslim Community UK, which represents 30,000 Muslims, said a “damaging” ban would “curb fundamental freedoms and stigmatise”, and that “marriages within extended families often are a means of providing support, stability and love within the family unit”.

Born in Bradford found six out of 100 children born to first-cousin marriage had a “congenital anomaly” or recessive condition."

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2025/jan/17/tory-bill-to-ban-marriage-between-cousins-is-damaging-and-unenforceable

Apparently Sharia Law is enacted in some areas of the country approved by Gov - remember if you want the vote of 24% of the population you will give them what they want or get voted out. If the remainder of the country is divided between different political parties then that 24% will have a huge influence on our laws.

It’s been explained but you either don’t care or don’t want to know,

Is nobody going to answer the question about legal immigrants?

PandoraSocks
The swan eating claims are completely spurious and were over twenty years ago when they first appeared. Not one person has been proven to have caught and eaten a swan

I did actually find a few prosecutions - 2014 the most recent.
All four men were convicted:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7742128/Chef-kills-swan.html
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/swan-killer-i-like-the-queen-and-didn-t-know-what-type-of-bird-it-was-but-it-tasted-nice-9468710.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/6174344.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4735461.stm

And claiming that people won’t do jobs that immigrants do is the case when they are given money to stay home - cut the benefits and this will change. Sadly Labour and Tory Govs find it too hard to fix.

If it were that easy it would already have been fixed.

To be fair, she sounds decidedly helpful here in 2023;

“Britain wants to protect its borders and therefore prevent illegal immigrants from entering the UK. They happen to come from France,” she said.
“We have to have the capacity, Great Britain and France bilaterally, to be able to go and see the countries from which these illegal immigrants originate to make joint flights, to send the illegal immigrants back to their country of origin. All of this is bilateral.”

Asked whether she could envisage sending asylum seekers to Rwanda, Ms Le Pen said: “Why not?”

Her main plan would be to oblige them to file requests in French consulates in foreign countries but not in France. She said she had no problem with the UK continuing to conduct border controls in France and “to make part of its fleet available to be able to send illegal immigrants back to their country of origin, which obviously seems the most reasonable solution.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/04/12/marine-le-pen-migrants-join-britain-france-president-2027/

Don't kid yourself. She just wants them out of France.

She would throw you under a bus without the slightest hesitation, just like Farage would.

It's getting really noticeable now that no one is willing to answer the question about legal immigrants.

The most recent spokesperson was more hardline than that. In a way the French being tough helps Starmer. If they do as the pp says and sends everyone across it helps Reform.

Well if people are dumb enough to vote for Reform they deserve what they get.

Except of course for the people with indefinite leave to remain, who don't get to vote, and who will potentially be deported for no good reason.

They are legal rights.

Yes you said for the first part. It’s not really adding much to the French policy / channel discussion.

That you ate making it up in your head. There is no basis for this belief.

What about the second part?

If the problem is men coming over in small boats and being put up in migrant hostels, why does Farage even need to have a policy about people with indefinite leave to remain?

Are you OK with those people being deported?

That is very impressive digging clav. You should be proud.

I shall amend my statement to: four people over a twenty year period have been convicted of swan eating. The most recent was in 2014.

Is that OK?

I have visited many a muslim country. Some are very popular places for Britons to live and work.

And I don’t see it as an issue no. I don’t have the same habit of viewing muslims as a monolith.

Also you cannot prevent muslim people having children and force non-muslims to have more.

Don’t be salty. If you said this never happened, and it turns out it did, and multiple times, graciously accept you were wrong and don’t seek to downplay.

No, you have made this up or heard it from an unreliable source.

Many windrush people were given idl. Many husbands and wives. Many children. It was seen, long ago, as a way of not giving citizenship outright, but honouring a right to remain in the UK and be treated as a citizen. It was given to people who were soldiers in the British army who chose to settle here, as an example.