Reform voters may not be racist but they are at least dangerously naive

[ChocolateMagnum]

AIBU to accept that some Reform voters may not actually be racist, but to be pretty certain that, if they're not, they are at the very least dangerously naive?

I thought we all got taught at school about how fascism took over in 1939s Germany? And there's so much out there at the moment showing why we are at a dangerous turning point in history again.

Why is it that the so-called non-racist Reform voters not see that they are aligning themselves with a covertly racist and fascist-leaning party and that their support risks tipping the balance towards a fascist dictatorship in the UK?

And this is the difference. Those who actually live alongside hotels accommodating asylum seekers and see and experience the reality, and the middle class leftist ones who don’t.

Who is the they in this sentence? Which group are you referring to

What are the key points that you think will prevent similar happening here?

Some Muslim groups have already expressed their intent. What will stop them?

The same people you nebulously refer to. I don't have higher standards than you.

That is worrying and a bad sign of things to come that it was voted against.
Also concerning but let’s face it not surprising that people tried to silence you.

Here's a question for Reform voters.

If what you and Farage are concerned about is illegal migrants living in migrants hostels, why do there need to be any policies at all about people who already have indefinite leave to remain, who are by definition people living in the UK legally?

This is exactly my view too

This. 💯

The person you are quoting who is quoting me doesn’t seem to understand that Turkey (and the Middle East for that matter) used to be Christian about 2000 years ago. The oldest cities of Christendom were in the Middle East- Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem- and they were quickly conquered by Muslims who converted people by the sword and by seizing the women and selling them as slaves. So, before that, they had their own culture that was totally devoid of Islam.

Wha I loved about the UK was how blissfully unaware you could be about the horrors of Islam because this country was undeniably western and Christian, it had a strong identity… not anymore. British identity is in danger of being eroded.

If people think that what happened in backwards Islamic nations like Turkey, Iran and Afghanistan can’t happen here because their culture is somehow backwards, let me disavow you of that illusion, their culture is backwards because of Islam - a medieval religion that is 100% resistant to change because of blasphemy laws. What makes them think that by importing young men from such countries on an industrial scale is not going to shift the demographics permanently? Does breathing in British air and eating British food automatically make someone British?

On the other hand, I do see where she is coming from. That kind of sh!t won’t happen here…. yet. If we act now, we can slow it down and then stop it massively. We can become defenders of British and Western culture by never being complacent.

It’s getting to a stage where I don’t care what anyone says about i**ophobia because contrary to what people think, it’s lefties who are afraid. They are so afraid that they become cowards and let that religion and culture take over their own because of their fear of confrontation. The only people they feel brave enough to confront are the patriots.

People like us are supposedly playing a dangerous game by showing support for Reform but I would argue that the Far-Right are easier to defeat than Islamofascism.

Hearing about the grooming gangs has been so depressing and has brought back memories of all the wrongs that are done to women in Turkey on a daily basis. It is oddly familiar and it doesn’t surprise me at all that it has taken place but what is devastating in all of this is the way the authorities automatically sided with the perpetrators because of their religion. In other words, showing favouritism to a group that is supposedly vulnerable and therefore a protected group but who are in reality the aggressor.

So what sort of timescales are you thinking are reputable? Should someone who comes here and has a job to fulfil the criteria but soon after is made redundant and can’t get another job. How long should we support that person before calling a halt and encourage them to look elsewhere? Or are we obliged to support them for the rest of their life despite only limited contributions to tax and NI?

I would like to very much hope so, but it is not true to say that there is no prospect of that happening in the UK.
How will it happen.By stealth if not prevented.

They’ve made this clear. You have to be earning and not claiming benefits. Migrants should not have access to the benefit system.

Please tell me this is parody.

No, let's play a different game, you tell me why you believe this?

So they do intend to make legal immigrants illegal then.

You come over, you get a job, you pay into the system, get married to a British citizen, have British children, and then if you dare to get sick, or have a baby, or earn less than whatever the threshold is going to be tomorrow, you go home, right?

He was from the U.S. I thought the discussion is about Reform in the UK.

They are not rights, they are permission. Boris didn’t ask if we wanted an ‘amnesty’ on illegal immigrants.

Boris Johnson is the new Prime Minister and leader of the Conservative Party. Whilst campaigning to become the United Kingdom’s next Prime Minister, he announced his support for the idea of an Amnesty for illegal migrants. Mr Johnson suggested that there are around 500,000 people in London alone who have lived there for a decade or more but who were never registered and “are not able to pay taxes”. He further stated that “I don’t think it’s commonsensical to think we can deport such a large number of people. We do need to think of how to regularise their status”. Mr Johnson has supported the idea of an Amnesty for those who have lived in the United Kingdom for 15 years or more, subject to them having “played by the rules”.

www.douglass-simon.com/boris-johnsons-amnesty/

And if they are Islamic they bring that with them and want to convert this country as well.Not all of them but the more moderate get dragged along with the radical.
What part are you not getting ?

Can you answer the question in respect of legal immigrants please?

I think the important thing is how fundamentalist people are rather than their religion. I spent a lot of time with Muslim friends and their families growing up and never felt as disrespected as with my dad's fundamentalist Christian colleague and his family. Their 8 year old son attempted to order my mum around because the dads were out so he was in charge. His mum fully accepted it and did what he said. My mum... I imagine he learned a lesson that day.

Most religions are incompatible with the society we want in this country if carried to extremes.

Some bloke has just dumped a kitten in a basket at my front door and ran off so I'm dealing with that now, sorry. Sorry if my last post was nonsense! I think I quoted the wrong post and shouted.

Mad, completely mad, who does that?!

Why is it lazy? Because you say so?

But these are the same people who claim others aren’t able to “critically think” and yet it is elementary, so I just don’t get their gullible stance.

Actually made it a lot worse.

If you can’t answer just say.

Ok I’ll play your ‘game’. I have spent listening to a wide range of people. Some ex Muslim campaigners on X like Raja Miah and colleagues. He is mainly focused on the grooming gangs issue and explains a lot of things about the behaviour and culture that led to this horrendous mass rape, torture abuse of white girls.

I have also listened to pps like @AxMxPfan who give a real life account of things they have seen happen.

To be quite honest, I am actually searching for a compelling argument that demonstrates we are safe from the risk of Islamic dominance in our country as some groups have threatened. I first read a few things and started piecing them together and it worried me. This is all totally unrelated to Reform who I paid no attention to until these recent rows started raging.

So if you have this argument that proves me wrong, please share - I’d genuinely like to hear it. Unfortunately I’m not sure that you do. No one has said anything to allay my fears yet - I’ve just been told to shut up. That doesn’t really help.