Reform voters may not be racist but they are at least dangerously naive

[ChocolateMagnum]

AIBU to accept that some Reform voters may not actually be racist, but to be pretty certain that, if they're not, they are at the very least dangerously naive?

I thought we all got taught at school about how fascism took over in 1939s Germany? And there's so much out there at the moment showing why we are at a dangerous turning point in history again.

Why is it that the so-called non-racist Reform voters not see that they are aligning themselves with a covertly racist and fascist-leaning party and that their support risks tipping the balance towards a fascist dictatorship in the UK?

And how does he plan to fund a pay rise for all nurses?

Reforms voters certainly aren't waving any flags for kindness, caring, compassion or fairness, that's for sure.

Why do you think there is no prospect of that happening in the UK?

What is going to stop it? Some groups have already stated their intentions and are in the UK. They gave similar things in other counties. Did you see PPs account of what happened in Turkey?

Do we have some magic ‘British essence’ that will protect us? Because I can tell you the amount of anti-British people we hear from these days are diluting that power significantly.

Meanwhile we can’t even have a conversation about our concerns without being racist and will soon be criminalised on grounds of ‘Islamophobia’.

Why can’t you see this?

Exactly. But then again, he plans to (essentially) scrap the NHS doesn't he? So wouldn't be his problem. Take it up with your insurance company I guess. Can't afford insurance, too bad.

Well the alternative is to allow volume immigration until this becomes an Islamic country. Are they more or less fascist than the States, would you say?

No it isn't. Why can you only think in such extremes?

And none of this addresses the cries of 'youre not listening to me....'
Which we are all being told to hear.

You all honestly think hundreds of thousands of people (estimates put it at 1 in 10) of the UK population will just quietly up sticks, rescind their right to their previously legal right here, and wander back to wherever without their pensions or possessions?

The people saying that reform voters must be listened to as they're disenfranchised have no idea of the shit storm coming their way if they fuck people over like this.

Quite apart from the very real anger people will feel, the UK will be eviscerated economically with law suits!

I'm not just talking about degrees. I'm talking about other skilled jobs. The country would naturally have less skilled milners as demand for hats declined but more engineers as the industrial revolution kicked off. The incentive was there to train in a relevant field otherwise you would be out of a job. We have broken that link with the welfare state as people now feel that they can choose to train in a shortage field or claim benefits. The government and employers aren't encouraged to pay for skilled labour and pay for training when they can import it cheaply and immediately. In the long term we are creating a dependency cycle though. At some point we need to break the cycle otherwise we will be brain draining developing countries until we can't afford to anymore.

She thinks people eat swans.

I suppose if your plan is to let poor people just die you won't need so many nurses.

Oh I do understand what you wrote in that you didn’t appear to understand it happening here, just because we now have a different culture and history means nothing.
Just because we have to keep religion out of politics does not mean we will be able to if it is not addressed now.

Because that’s the logical conclusion of either option.

I do agree that the cycle needs to be broken. But Reform don't have a plan to do it.

They do, they’re slashing welfare.

Which welfare?

That's not a plan.

No it isn't.

Oh so benefits are automatically replaced by skills and qualifications are they? As if by magic?

I think the country will be amazed at how many people who claim they can’t work, can when it’s a necessity.

Of course it's relevant, it is wholly relevant, we are a Northern Western European country for a start, Turkey is not!

Why are we lacking in skills and qualifications when nearly half(?) of school leavers go to university..?

Because a media studies degree does not qualify one as a plumber or pediatrician presumably.
So again, how will cutting welfare fill the skills shortages the migrants leave behind? Does Reform have a plan for this?

Well it wouldn’t make much sense on its own.
Unless you are just trying to have a dig at the poster.
Why is that ?

I don't think people to the left of centre want unlimited immigration. I also think research shows people are broadly positive about the benefits of immigration. It's how the debate is being framed.

I think my three key issues with reform proposed controls on immigration are 1) there are jobs we cannot fill without immigration (the council cannot find affordable care for my mother for example) 2) there undeniably people using the immigration debate with racist intentions (those who claim immigrants are the source of SA when the only group that are represented in offender stats in greater proportion than their population is white British men, those who tell 3rd generation citizens to go home, those who painted swastikas, actual swastikas, outside my children's school) 3) there's a moral imperative to provide asylum for refugees in the degree to which we can.

I don't think we can have a sensible debate while the loudest voices are racist. The angry men who attended the protect our women rally and screamed obscenities at a young SA victim because she said her attackers were white men. And I think that Nigel "them foreigners ate his majesty's swans" Farage is amplifying those voices and stifling debate.

But if we’ve got people here who can’t fulfil employment or income criteria and are therefore relying on benefits, it is clear that their ‘fresh start’ hasn’t worked out and they need to move somewhere else to find gainful employment.

We can’t be expected to support non working non British citizens as well.