Reform voters may not be racist but they are at least dangerously naive

[ChocolateMagnum]

AIBU to accept that some Reform voters may not actually be racist, but to be pretty certain that, if they're not, they are at the very least dangerously naive?

I thought we all got taught at school about how fascism took over in 1939s Germany? And there's so much out there at the moment showing why we are at a dangerous turning point in history again.

Why is it that the so-called non-racist Reform voters not see that they are aligning themselves with a covertly racist and fascist-leaning party and that their support risks tipping the balance towards a fascist dictatorship in the UK?

Knows not "nows".

Probably because we didn’t actually’leave’. Do your homework

Of course we have left. It just didn't look the way Farage told you it would.

That’s a really bad parallel comparison

The whole point of having them REAPPLY for something they already had is to make sure the maximum number of LEGAL immigrants goes over into the ILLEGAL category - which then gets deported. So bleeding obvious.

Some people are ok with that. In fact, they think it's great.

The schools already firmly entrench what the pupils ‘should’ believe

Why are dehumanising people by referring to immigrants as 'illegals'. Morally repugnant!

They are racist.

I don't understand why they're saying they aren't.

Of course I oppose all those things.

24% of the UK population being Muslim in 40 years (I would still like to see the data this prediction is based on)would not turn the UK into some sort of fundamentalist Islamic state.

In what way- are you going to substantiate that claim?

Its made up data.

Well yeah. There's lots of racists about. There's also plenty of people who are just fine with cruelty as long as they think it will benefit them.

I think that we can definitely pay to train some NEETs to become nurses before we import nurses from other countries and start to brain drain less developed countries.

We should look to cover our skill shortages with British people first. This is just sensible! We have millions of competent people that are more than capable of being a nurse if they were trained properly. They will have the obvious advantages of being able to speak the language effortlessly and will understand cultural norms without having to learn them.

@Marshmallow4545 I’m a full time carer for my adult son. CA is only paid to those giving 35+ hours of care a week. If I had a partner to take over care when I was working I would be able to do additional work but this would be capped. I am already educated to masters level but could maybe do 10 hours per week at minimum wage. But as I’m a lone parent it really makes no difference if I utilise skills already obtained or am trained to become a shelf stacker and worked full time because this would create a vacancy for a full time carer and this would cost the state far more than my tax contributions.

But I really don’t think my £83 a week CA is bankrupting the country. In fact I and others like me are saving the state a fortune as they don’t have to provide care. I would have worked, paid taxes and accrued a pension if adequate care was available. Being a carer costs the individual far more than the state.

I suspect you are right.

I think you are staggeringly naive.

I am not naive enough to believe that every economically inactive person can magically reenter the workforce. There will be many examples like yours where this isn't possible. However there is also a lot of untapped potential and opportunity in the economically inactive statistics as well. It would be crazy to ignore this and write all of these people off.

It’s not lazy though is it? It’s completely obvious. Look at what’s happening in the US? Anyone who cannot see that the US has become a fascist authoritarian state is being blind on purpose. Farage will lead the UK down that very same road.

You might not like hearing comparisons between Reform and the rise of fascism but ignoring it doesn’t stop it being true.

I'm still waiting for your explanation as to why the 'leftie' Sky News are wrong in this article; https://news.sky.com/story/reform-uks-tax-plans-disproportionately-benefit-high-earners-analysis-shows-13156776

People are not being honest with themselves here. If you had no issue with Ukrainian refugees getting freebies all over the place, you have to ask yourself what the MAIN difference is now. Qwhite obvious to me, but others appear to be kidding themselves (or maybe haven’t been able to put their finger on what truly bothered them, until now).

I’d say there are several MAIN differences here:

1. Ukraine was invaded by a man who also represents a threat to our national security. If they were defeated, it us bad for Europe.
2. Ukrainians are culturally similar to us and most spoke English. The refugees that came here seemed very keen to fit in and work with us.
3. Correct me I’m wrong here but absolutely zero Ukrainians have either declared holy jihad (war) on us, attempted to murder large numbers of us or imposed their cultural practices or forced us to accept them.

We know that some Islamic terrorists are entering our country. The government knows this. How many we don’t know but one was caught recently - from Egypt, small boat, raped a woman in Hyde Park got convicted. We now spend a lot of money trying to defend the public from these terrorists.

Stop trying to imply that not wanting large numbers of people coming from countries where it seems not to be illegal to rape white women (according to their defence) and who wish to impose cultural practices like halal etc on us and prevent us making first cousin marriage illegal is just motivated by racism.

There are some major elements of Islamic practices that are not compatible with British society.

This is exactly how things have worked historically in previous generations. Labour would ebb and flow into different industries and areas to reflect demand and shortages. I think you are naive to think this is no longer possible because we can now tap into cheap labour from abroad instead.

Times have changed though haven't they? Nurses didn't used to need degrees. Different ball game these days. Not so easy to just train more of them, or to fund the salaries they would demand. If it was that easy, wouldn't upskilling Brits be Nige's big plan, his headliner?

And this doesn’t make it true.

If unemployed British people wanted to do these jobs and had the right qualities to do them, why would they not already be doing them?

And even if you are right that there are millions of Brits with all the right qualities who want to work in these roles and just need training up, how do you suggest we fill current vacancies whilst they are being trained up?