Reform voters may not be racist but they are at least dangerously naive

[ChocolateMagnum]

AIBU to accept that some Reform voters may not actually be racist, but to be pretty certain that, if they're not, they are at the very least dangerously naive?

I thought we all got taught at school about how fascism took over in 1939s Germany? And there's so much out there at the moment showing why we are at a dangerous turning point in history again.

Why is it that the so-called non-racist Reform voters not see that they are aligning themselves with a covertly racist and fascist-leaning party and that their support risks tipping the balance towards a fascist dictatorship in the UK?

25% of social housing in London is headed by first generation migrant

Its 48%

No I don't think it's a particularly large number. It isn't 'very small' though. I do also think when you look at the number and in particular the number of young people that are NEET then we clearly should focus efforts on employing British citizens before assuming that we must rely on immigration. There are also a lot of economically inactive people that could be brought into the workforce that would dramatically increase the workforce available and provide additional economic benefit.

Of course posters are real. Just because they don’t vote for Labour or whomever you do it doesn’t mean you can put them down as not real. A look at polling will show you that anyway, it’s more mn that’s giving you a skewed perception.

These appear to be some of the proposed criteria that people who have indefinite leave to remain today will need to present when they reapply. All seem quite reasonable bars to hold and, as I say, are mild in comparison to other countries, which are objectively not fascist states.

"Indefinite" does not mean "irrevocable". If you have ILTR today, you can apply for citizenship today. Again, failing to understand the hysteria here

Thank God we have morally superior types like you to tell us all how to think.

If you think about democracy, when another culture becomes the majority then it is possible that they vote in leaders that impose rules that represent their culture and not the native culture

Yes, but there is no prospect of that happening in the UK. I know there are some people who believe in the anti-semetic Great Replacement conspiracy theory, but conspiracy theories are just that.

A lot of those economically inactive people are stay at home mums. Would you force them back into work?

How is the answer continuing to pay NEETS benefits while bringing in an immigrant who will also need public services, have a family and grow old one day? All so bloody short sighted. We should learn from immigrant culture. Not fill the country with immigrants.

Aren't we discussing Reform and UK politics?

This is why the Left are never going to win in my lifetime again. The hysteria and delusion and inability to understand second and third order consequences of "let's just be kind rainbow" policy-making

A lot are also 55+ who have left the workplace and taken their occupational pensions early. How would you force them back to work? @Marshmallow4545 ?

Oh for crying out loud.

The Islamic population of the UK has gone from 3% to 6% in the space of 20 years. It is set to rise even more sharply. If it continues, it will be 12% minimum in another 20 years, and 24% in 40. This is alongside further immigration and our own population decline.

It’s not about whether there’s some secret plot to outnumber non-Muslims (I don’t think there is), it’s about basic maths.

It’s like trying to tell somebody the grass is green and they insist it isn’t. It’s utterly painful - the denial, the short sightedness, the refusal to acknowledge plain facts.

So cryptic man!

Except that serious child abuse has been enabled for years by our very own authorities because they didn’t dare call out the behaviour of a particular type of man on religious (Muslim) and racial (brown) grounds.

Thousands of girls harmed.

Then we get to the large amounts of money we as a society now have to spend on protecting Muslim girls in this country from forced marriage, child marriage and other serious abuses.

In your opinion.

Reform are going to win the next election, don't shoot the messenger/s. I wouldn't vote Reform myself

Can't anyone just let people vote how they want? No, because then there might be a glimpse of democracy. Have to bully others into voting a certain way.

If Reform voters are naive, then what the sodding hell are Labour voters or Tory voters after everything that's happened? Goodness me!

Of course there is a prospect of that happening in the UK. When it happens might be up for debate but if current trajectories and population trends continue then over time this will absolutely happen. It is also important to remember that where certain cultures are concentrated in specific areas then this will lead to changes at local level before the national picture changes. This will be particularly relevant to if more powers are devolved from Westminster to regions, cities and towns.

You don't have to sign up to any conspiracy theory to acknowledge this. I find it bizarre how you seem determined to undermine quite legitimate fears and imply that racism must be the underlying sentiment behind people simply pointing out that massive demographic changes will impact a democratic society eventually.

No, very much factual and dat based, something that appears alien to your arguments.

What do you think he was planning to do with the swan?

They don’t make good pets.

data, facts, the truth not "dat"!

Even if reform wins, I’m not overly worried about my stay here (I’m from EU), because I work in healthcare. What I’m worried about is walking down the street and opening my mouth in case someone hears foreign accent and tells me to go back to my own country. I once called out a man who blocked parent-child parking space who had no child with him and I heard in return „it’s my country”. I’m sick to death of the current climate to the point I started considering moving back to my home country indeed. My only saving grace is white skin so I have less chances of being abused for the way I look.

So there are 9.12 million economically inactive people in the UK aged 16-64 or 21.1% of the working population.

Breaking this down by reason:

Long-term sickness: 31% (~2.83 million people; this remains the leading reason and is near record highs.

• Students: 26% (~2.37 million; concentrated among younger age groups).

• Looking after family/home: ~13% (~1.19 million; down significantly since pre-pandemic levels).

• Early Retirement: ~10% (~0.91 million; mostly in the 50-64 group).

• Other reasons (e.g., temporary sickness, discouraged workers): ~20% (~1.82 million)

So in answer to your point very few of the economically inactive are stay at home mothers, because the 13% figure also includes stay at home carers for elderly relatives etc.

I have to say, you don't sound convincing when you state that.

Or maybe people are working full time. And therefore can't give up work to provide 24/7 care to loved ones. If they did and claimed benefits, you'd call them a scrounger I'm sure.