Reform voters may not be racist but they are at least dangerously naive

[ChocolateMagnum]

AIBU to accept that some Reform voters may not actually be racist, but to be pretty certain that, if they're not, they are at the very least dangerously naive?

I thought we all got taught at school about how fascism took over in 1939s Germany? And there's so much out there at the moment showing why we are at a dangerous turning point in history again.

Why is it that the so-called non-racist Reform voters not see that they are aligning themselves with a covertly racist and fascist-leaning party and that their support risks tipping the balance towards a fascist dictatorship in the UK?

The economic damage that your "additional administrative demands" have inflicted on the UK are not a small inconvenience, they ensured hugely obstructive trading barriers with our closest trading partner, there was no plan for economic growth, something that is evidently still taking its toll today and we left because people fell for the disruptive, reactionary message of Farage when he lead one of his other parties - UKIP!

Are we all supposed to pick just one thing to be interested in?

They will be forced to because of the three jobs offers and then no benefits rule.

And how does it benefit the UK to have important jobs done by unqualified British people rather than qualified immigrants?

Reform control quite a few councils now, don’t they? I’d be interested to know how that’s going.

Perhaps anyone who lives in a Reform-controlled area could let us know?

YABU to assume everyone learned about 1930s fascism at school. The national curriculum didn't come in until 2002, so anyone older than about mid thirties may not have done history at all, or if they did it may not have been that era.

I didn't do history at school.

Whatever you want. Someone in France that’s sure they’re doing well, fine crack on.

What’s wrong with Granny having her intimate areas cleaned by a spice-addicted layabout who’s never worked a day in his life (unless you count shoplifting)?

Can you explain, using specific examples, the parallels between requiring those who choose to migrate to England to learn English, integrate with the communities they've chosen to move into and support themselves financially without recourse to the welfare state – policies that are pretty mild compared with many countries on earth, e.g. China – and 1930s Germany?

I'm mid 40s and I can't recall anyone not studying History at school, I had friends and siblings that went to different schools in different boroughs, were all in London but I can't imagine History never been taught at school. Or do you just mean the history of the rise of the Nazis?

Rather that than a Muslim I guess.

I think we all know removing ltr would be a disaster
but that isn’t what we are on about

we absolutely need immigration and allow people to to settle

but we need control of it that’s the point

Since when was 1.5 million people a 'very small' number of unemployed people?

What does this have to do with Reform's plan to retrospectively remove people's ILR?

For a country the size of the UK, it is.

They fight about LGBT flags. 🤷‍♀️

OK but if you vote for Reform, you are voting for all their policies, which includes retrospectively removing ILR from people who have lived in the UK legally for years and thought they had rights.

Not well.

The latest one was a big announcement that they'd saved money by not taking disabled kids to school in taxis.

Now they have to sit at home instead.

Big forward thinking plans for the economy there.

It's almost 5% of the working population. It absolutely isn't a small number.

We do need to try and keep a grip on reality when having these debates.

Thank you for sharing your story.

Sadly it will fall on deaf or unwilling ears so far as the ‘left wing, terrified of Reform’ crowd go. They’re privileged and Western - they can’t imagine anything could be worse than Reform (by a long way) because quite simply, they’ve never had to personally experience something that is.

I think their descendants will judge them harshly for allowing hundreds of thousands of men from fascist theocracies to flood in unchecked, because their fore-bearers were so utterly spineless and desperate to prove their left wing credentials they turned a blind eye to what was clearly and blatantly a massive threat to the UK and its way of life.

I utterly judge every last person who refuses to acknowledge this risk because it’s too uncomfortable and hope when the time comes they are held responsible.

And ban local press too, right?

Nothing. I don't think these people are real.

They change the argument as soon as they lose, have you noticed?

OK, so you think it's a large number.

A large number compared to what?

What do you think would be a small number?

In some ways thats better than the Labour strategy of changing the arguement as soon as you win. Who knew that they were going to after pensioners and the disabled and put up employer NI right away. They said there plan was growth.

The biggest shock for me recently was Charlie Kirk’s murder, that was done by a fascist