Reform voters may not be racist but they are at least dangerously naive

[ChocolateMagnum]

AIBU to accept that some Reform voters may not actually be racist, but to be pretty certain that, if they're not, they are at the very least dangerously naive?

I thought we all got taught at school about how fascism took over in 1939s Germany? And there's so much out there at the moment showing why we are at a dangerous turning point in history again.

Why is it that the so-called non-racist Reform voters not see that they are aligning themselves with a covertly racist and fascist-leaning party and that their support risks tipping the balance towards a fascist dictatorship in the UK?

Are you in France then? Surely you must be concerned about the issues there.

I’ve done it myself.

The positive being that I had several years living in a marvellous place, learned a language, travelled and saw that part of the world, made friends and made money.

I could never have become a citizen, and if I’d been ill or become disabled I wouldn’t have been able to stay, but those were the rules. I certainly didn’t have an absolute right to stay in the country. I could be there if I was working and productive and useful - that’s fair.

Hahahaha

Why don't you think British people are capable of being nurses and teachers?

Is this the poster who said on another thread her husband might be stopped at border control in the UK?

Some of them are. But there aren't enough of them.

With the people who do not currently work. It is not that difficult. We do not need to import labour in order for Brits to sit at home.

No idea but the focus seems to be on here when France has plenty of its own stuff to worry about.

I'm much better off here than I would be in the UK.

Ah but then you knew the rules upfront, right? No one led you to believe one thing and then pulled the rug from under your feet, did they? How can you then propose that's what we do here?

But they didn't need to apply for citizenship due to having ILR.

Do you really not see how unfair it is to change the goalposts retrospectively?

I read a really heartfelt post from someone on here about how it would affect them and how distressing it is for them to suddenly feel not wanted in the country they have settled in and love.

Lol, good luck with that.

No.

Great. France isn’t doing so well, do you post about that?

Classic - can't think of anything intelligent to write - criticise the grammar.

On Mumsnet?

I do laugh when I see how the UK media reports on what is going on in France. It's like they desperately need to believe that France is constantly on the verge of collapse.

Do you not believe that British posters who live abroad have a legitimate interest in what goes on in the UK?

Well yes I hear your point and its a very valid one, but you can't force people to do a certain job, especially such an important one are caring. Of course massively raising the pay and status of carers might help, but much as I would love to see that, I wouldn't hold my breath!

Why not? Does it not concern you. Or is it more the politics here that is taking up your interest

Restricting immigration drives supply of jobs, restricting benefits drives demand for jobs. This enables the states bill to reduce and stops the country going bankrupt. Seems smarter to me than continually bringing low cost labour in from aboard and keeping people at home on state benefits.

No I mean good luck with forcing the very small number of unemployed people in the UK to do jobs they don't want to do and are not qualified to do.

Agree with this !

We have a big problem we’ve imported huge numbers from third world countries who don’t work or they are low skilled so net takers. It needs addressing we are too soft on benefits for non Brits…other countries don’t do this. Hence the mess we are in …the lure of benefits and housing is mad and needs to stop…hence the rise of Reform.

Labour too bothered about the rest of the world instead of focusing on the U.K..

Of course it isn't but my point is that there are some cultures that would ordinarily condone and encourage things that we as a culture and country condemn and outright ban. It is always going to be extremely difficult to mesh these two cultures and to truly create an integrated country in this context. Even if everyone is living by the rule of law, the underlying values of a country can be threatened by uncontrolled mass migration. If you think about democracy, when another culture becomes the majority then it is possible that they vote in leaders that impose rules that represent their culture and not the native culture. When this comes to important issues like people's rights and freedoms then you can see why people become concerned. It isn't racist to acknowledge this risk.

What exactly do you think I should be concerned about?

If I wanted to post that I would have. France isn’t doing too well with its own politics and economy.