Reform voters may not be racist but they are at least dangerously naive

[ChocolateMagnum]

AIBU to accept that some Reform voters may not actually be racist, but to be pretty certain that, if they're not, they are at the very least dangerously naive?

I thought we all got taught at school about how fascism took over in 1939s Germany? And there's so much out there at the moment showing why we are at a dangerous turning point in history again.

Why is it that the so-called non-racist Reform voters not see that they are aligning themselves with a covertly racist and fascist-leaning party and that their support risks tipping the balance towards a fascist dictatorship in the UK?

They’ll have to, if they want lower immigration. We can’t have it all ways. It’s actually all kinds of wrong that people are happy with the idea of bringing in immigrants as a kind of ‘serf’ underclass, who’ll do the jobs British people don’t want to do.

And pay their mortgages how, exactly?

The UK supreme court now get the final say on decisions. Would have clarity on the definition of a women if that had had to go to a European Court? Europe made the opposite decision at about the same time.

We can negotiate trade deals that matter to what we need, the US trade deal is an example.

We can set out own rules for state support - for example the government stepped in and fully nationalised British steel which would have been outside of the state support rules.

We no longer have to open all government tenders to all EU companies. Great British Energy isn't a subsidary of EDF which could have been the case if it was tendered.

Farmers can be subsidised based on British government policy rather than a single fit European policy.

But that only applied to EU citizens. Citizens from outside the EU did not necessarily have the right to reside here even if they had a Shengen visa. As the conversation was about refugees, refugees in Shengen did not automatically have the right to settle here. However, because we were EU members, we had access to more resources and seamless cooperation with our neighbours. Leaving really was a shot in the foot.

It's is directly comparable to the appeal of Edward Mosley and his followers in the 1930s.in the UK

I agree OP

People on out of work benefits generally don't have mortgages.

Being in or out of the EU isn’t that effective when it comes to asylum pressures. Look to ROI and others still facing the same issues.

They should go out and get a “real job” and stop being such a drain on society. I’m sick of these lazy teachers and nurses.

A country which would kick someone out after they've contributed, put down roots, perhaps married and had children with a citizen, is a country with no respect for human rights.

Which is, of course, what Reform wants the UK to be.

There is the option to become a citizen.

Are you confused?

I'm talking about people @HedwigEliza appears to think should give up work to provide round the clock care for their elderly relatives.

Farmers are not better off, environmental regulations are going down the drain and we've not gained anything significant from any of our deals because we've lost negotiating clout (no longer part of the largest trading area in the world). That US deal is making us more of a vassal to US tech than anything else.

I’m speaking as an immigrant myself, and I completely disagree with you. A nation’s first duty is to its citizens, not the ‘human rights’ of everyone who wishes to move there. It’s wishful thinking.

It is all kinds of wrong, but some reform voters seem to actively think immigrants should work the shit jobs, pay tax and then just disappear, with no positives to them at all.

Im baffled and have no argument against such supremacist behaviour.

Op all you are doing is putting people in the position of defending reform, because clearly no one group is any one thing!

I find it ironic that you label millions of people as ‘naive’ whilst speaking about being educated in the same sentence….

1. It's bloody expensive and not everyone can afford it.
2. Sometimes it requires you to give up your original citizenship.
3. You need either indefinite leave to remain or settled status to apply for it, which are the very things Farage would like to retrospectively remove from people.

😂

I’m not naive I’m xxxxing sick of appalling Government - everyone thinks Nige is so bad -what the heck do you think of Cameron, May, Johnston.truss and Sunack andnow this shambolic bunch of weaklings I honestly doubt he could be any worse

Until they move the goalposts and make naturalised citizens regularly prove their worth in order to stay here through ever more ludicrous requirements. Those people want to make up the rules as they go along. They will always find undesirables because that's their political oxygen.

I am also an immigrant, from the UK to another country.

And the reason it's that way round is because the country I now live in respects our family's right to live together, whereas the UK doesn't.

Farmers may not be better off but that is because of Labour Policy. We can set whatever policy we like. Do you see the EU as an insurance policy in case you elect an inept labour government?.

To say nothing of these cleaners, carers, mechanics etc etc etc. How do people think this country could function?

That's not for me to figure out is it

I disagree. I think a government should protect the people that live within the country it governs.

Otherwise you're setting yourself up for all kinds of human oppression.