Reform voters may not be racist but they are at least dangerously naive

[ChocolateMagnum]

AIBU to accept that some Reform voters may not actually be racist, but to be pretty certain that, if they're not, they are at the very least dangerously naive?

I thought we all got taught at school about how fascism took over in 1939s Germany? And there's so much out there at the moment showing why we are at a dangerous turning point in history again.

Why is it that the so-called non-racist Reform voters not see that they are aligning themselves with a covertly racist and fascist-leaning party and that their support risks tipping the balance towards a fascist dictatorship in the UK?

They had the opportunity to apply for citizenship if they’ve been working here for decades. If not - we have more than enough low earners.

Or someone who was earning £60k and paying taxes their whole working life and is now retired? Or disabled?

What about people who are married to and parents of British citizens? Fuck their right to a family life, right?

I'm genuinely interested in knowing what a positive one is as well? I'm honestly not just saying that, I can't think of what's come out of Brexit that's positive either.
What bit do you find positive? Genuine question

They voted for Brexit which made everything worse (they were warned). Now they want to vote for the same people who unleashed that shitshow. The on,y way that I’d say you are unreasonable, OP, is by saying that Reform voters aren’t racist when it is patently obvious that they are. The whole thing is a sickening mix of the foolish and the manipulative.

£60k seems a sensible threshold.

Why?

Just a quick reminder that Reform MPs Sarah Pochin, Lee Anderson, Richard Tice and James McMurdock all voted against:

Increasing protection for victims of stalking and harassment.

Strengthening laws against spiking.

Introducing new offences for taking intimate images without consent.

And what about dear old Nigel you might ask? Well, he didn't even bother to turn up for these votes.

Priorities and all that.

So everyone should stay in the country they were born in? I left one of 'those' countries and I work in the public sector in a sector that has a huge staffing crisis. In my company, I can count on two hands the amount of white British staff, out of 200! So what do you propose?

Also, the irony of Britain having a Common Wealth cannot be lost on you surely?

@snughugs

When I was an immigrant the first time around, and had to do all the various health testing, they sure as hell didn’t want me if I was ill or disabled. I would have been a drain on their resources, a financial liability. That seems perfectly fair and reasonable to me. If I had a problem with it - I could have gone somewhere else.

Suddenly the campaign for Brexit and the removal of human rights makes a lot more sense doesn't it?
Bloody horrible party.

Idiotic. So goodbye teachers and nurses yeah?

Again a lot have people have no problem with professionals coming to settle work and contribute to the uk
its uncontrollabled illegal immigration’s people want to stop not sending people back

I think not granting someone a visa in the first place is a very different kettle of fish to requiring them to leave once they are no longer useful to you, no matter how long they've been contributing and how many roots they've put down.

That's not an answer to the question that was asked.

I've no idea who they think is going to fill the ever increasing number of vacancies in care homes.

Then why vote for a party that wants to retrospectively abolish idl?

Didn’t matter. If they’d decided they didn’t want me once I was no longer useful, they would have sent me packing. A nation’s first duty is to its citizens, not to those of other countries. An immigrant has the benefit of living in that country for that amount of time - it’s not a one sided relationship where the country gives nothing to the immigrant.

This is 100% correct.

We have a bloated and way to powerful civil service who are no longer accountable to elected officials, hence our democracy is a farce.

This country is run by permanent secretary’s that outlive each government terms and a civil service who are no longer servants, but masters.

This was all by design by Gordon Brown and Tony Blaire.

Thats why we see successive governments trying to make changes and achieving very little.

Because ministers aren’t in charge. Parliament is just a circus for the rest of us.

It will take an absolutely radical taking back of power by elected officials through multiple channels, legislation being just one of them, to restore democracy and change how our country is run. Until then we are the mercy of ideologically captured secretaries and civil service.

I wish more people knew this.

Wow. How incredibly callous.

Perhaps British people could decide to look after their own elderly instead of bringing in people from abroad to do it for them, as if the job is somehow too good for them?

And keep people like you who can't use grammar correctly? Can we do a trade? 😂

As many in my family are Drs they can pretty much immigrate anywhere. We are importing the poor and can’t afford it, get over yourself love. These ARE third world countries and plenty Drs and professionals do come here but not on boats (as being a Dr they can use the correct channel) and not to deliver takeaways bring their large families over and do UBER for 16 hours a week whilst their wife and kids are taken care of via benefits. How dare you slag off the white working class, do you realise the disproportionate amount of Asians claiming universal credit? It’s you who’s racist! Get a reality check and stop sticking your head in the sand. No one objects to highly skilled professionals coming over. That’s a good thing. This is not and a very dangerous path as a country.

How do you propose they are forced to do that?

It’s not callous - it’s reasonable. I got the benefit of living in that country, they had the perfect right to say goodbye to me if I became a burden to them. This is a transactional relationship - we both have to get something out of it.

First post nails it!

Thanks @HedwigEliza

@ChocolateMagnum No matter how many posts there are criticising Reform voters/potential voters many people have decided that “enough is enough”.

If another political party stepped up and said “yes, enough is enough, we’re a tiny island, economically poor and can no longer sustain such a huge influx of people, it’s detrimental to our current population…” perhaps people would vote for them instead. As yet this hasn’t happened, and therefore Reform are gaining support. The other political parties are sitting by and watching it happen, and still haven’t stepped up.