Reform voters may not be racist but they are at least dangerously naive

[ChocolateMagnum]

AIBU to accept that some Reform voters may not actually be racist, but to be pretty certain that, if they're not, they are at the very least dangerously naive?

I thought we all got taught at school about how fascism took over in 1939s Germany? And there's so much out there at the moment showing why we are at a dangerous turning point in history again.

Why is it that the so-called non-racist Reform voters not see that they are aligning themselves with a covertly racist and fascist-leaning party and that their support risks tipping the balance towards a fascist dictatorship in the UK?

Well I guess this was then everyone thought we were living in an actual democracy and not a quango run state as @Greenteaandbiscuits describes so effective.

I voted remain btw as while I was discomfited by the immigration issues then, I believed that there was a genuine will to solve them. Now we discover the truth and so have the large numbers of people wanting g to come here.

The question is, when will it stop? If we don’t change what we are doing, how many more will come? Our population has shot up nearly 10 million in the last 15 years, we have a serious lack of housing and access for British citizens to NHS care is unceasingly limited. Are we going to stop at 20 million, 30? 90 million more people?

I think this poster wants to go back to before parliament was sovereign. When the King set all the laws themself, cause that worked really well.....

@AxMxPfan Thankyou so much for sharing some truths. There is a huge Ostrich like head in the sand going on in this country about the reality of Islam. People actually say “ oh I’ve met some Muslims and they were lovely”. It’s absurd how myopic and ignorant people are about Islam.

The assumption that Islamophobia is in any way irrational or unreasonable is an ignorant assumption.

As per a previous poster above.
I am unable to link I’m afraid.

No.
They pardoned people.

They did not convict them.

‘Racism is precisely to choose an administration based on certain demographic attributes over hard skills and experience.’

Again, what are your thoughts on affirmative action - white and Asian students being penalised and missing out on university places that are instead given to those with lower test scores purely because of their ethnic background?

When we were members, open borders were compulsory, so there were no equivalent ’cross-border problems’. Germany, unilaterally, was openly welcoming millions of migrants from across North Africa, documenting them, and then they had the freedom to travel anywhere in the EU. The EU didn’t consider this a problem. We did (remember David Cameron’s attempts to achieve some concessions?), and asked to be allowed to be exempt from it. The EU said No. We left the EU.

Sharing data doesn’t stop boats. And additional administrative demands don’t make working with the EU impossible. The EU doesn’t want to work with us. They never have. That’s why we left.

Not retrospectively.

And there's the racism with words like third world and backwards. This is what true Reform is about. There plenty of "backwards" English people in the country. The same English that the government do not want to help, that have been left behind in education, whilst the third word have soared in education. Those same English are the ones who have generations on benefits and those same third world are the ones in professional jobs like, doctors, dentists, lawyers etc.

With Reformers with views like yours then the country will go to pot as you are not interested in any of the other Reform policies which will really damage the country. But as long as those immigrants are out of the country that's all that matters to you.

When the immigrants are gone and the nhs is privatised, when your taxes go up and the cost of living increases ten fold who are you going to blame then. Will you turn on the other benefit scroungers, the disabled, the single parents.

Ok great I hope it helps you somehow. If what you’re saying happens they are more likely to get in.

Like I said, FAFO.

So you think he was taking the swan for for a walk for shits and giggles.

No, they will get in because people vote for them.

I know you’ve said it many times. It had zero effect each time don’t worry.

We left because the leave campaign were good at lying and the remain campaign were shit.

Well we might as well try. We're fucked under this government.

Yes that’s generally how it works.

We weren't part of the Shengen area. There was a border between us and the Shengen members.

It's always possible to be even more fucked.

If you want to guarantee it, vote for Farage.

So stop blaming individual posters for how others vote.

I think you’ve read another post. Everyone should most certainly vote for whomever they wish. I say that for any voter.

As for what you’re remarking on you haven’t followed it correctly.

About someone who says voting farage means they're a dimwit.

Stop manipulating people.

We weren’t in Schengen, no. Schengen just means there are literally no border controls, passport check etc. We were allowed to check passports/ID’s, but still had to let them in if they were EU citizens or had the right to reside in the EU. Free movement was compulsory. When Cameron asked for some respite/a limit to our numbers, he was told ‘Absolutely not’.

It was certainly implied anyway. My reading of the patriotism line was that he was calling for patriotism to be won back from the nationalist populists though. Either way, Starmer isn't left wing so wouldn't be surprised to see him tick a few boxes there.

What are you talking about?